In need of some advice please

[Mug?]

So Difficult

So Difficult

Feel your pain I was in a very similar situation and stood my ground when i was expected to jump off the cliff when told.

I know we have a chain of command and we have to respect it, but when the guy is a chopper and it is having a downer on the whole flight, i felt responsible to make the stand.

Everyone around thought he was a chopper both up and down the chain, but they all seem to pull together and hang you out to dry quietly.

They are very clever and know all the ways around it but you stand up to the system and you have to be put down.

I paid the price and although the problems got highlighted and solved and it was worth it at the time, my bank manager, my misses and my sanity wishes I shrivelled up with the rest of them and kept my head down and played the game. I have been through everyone internal and external and while everyone told me what I wanted to hear; "you were right to do what you did" "the guy is a tool" "the world is full of choppers, and sometimes they get through the system" I am now shafted for the next 3 years.

It seems the game is taking over common sense and that is what is driving down the credibility of the whole system.

Anyway choice is yours?

 

[3OCLOCKFINISH]

This person happened to leave themself logged on with an email showing to a colleague in the office. This email slated me and had words in there that usually would have involved a hospital trip for them and a swift arm of the law for me.

Only to find yesterday this message that stated such things as 'I read youngjenkins the riot act and they wont step out of line again', 'the snake has been backstabbing me', 'he must be sleeping with the boss as he's so far up their a*se', 'he's taking credit for all the hard work I've done' (I finished a job they started 3 years ago basically, and worked 16 hour days to get it done right, but never once did I take a single bit of credit, in fact I deflected attention away from me and I said it was the whole team that finished the job, it just happened that I was the one they saw most), ''he's leaving snail marks everywhere he goes'.

You saw two separate emails from him, both slating you?

Who exactly is he emailing about you? Higher up the chain or another mate in the section?

I presume you are at least a Cpl? Perhaps time to act like one instead of asking for advice on here? And making it rather clear to who you are, I can't imagine your nemesis not being able to figure it out...

Saying that, lack of direction is a ****** and it does sound like you need it sorted out. Good luck.

 

[I'm a liar]

I thought the law was if anyone leaves their email on, you have to send a mail to the hardest b*stard on camp or the Staish from their account and say that you uderstand they like little boys. I know you want to do it official but some times playing them at their own game works better and gives you some satisfaction. Might not be much help but its what I'd do.



ps, smack the tw*t.

 

[Bucc Boy]

You, your boss or both of you are the cause of this dilemma. Having absolutely nothing to base a judgment of you on (other than your first post), I find it difficult to read too much into the situation.

However, for the sake of argument (and the tone of your first post), I will assume that you are slightly up your own asre, in your bosses face yet good at your job. He we will assume is a weak manager and on the vindictive side.

If you are any rank higher than corporal then it is you at fault because you shouldn’t need to come on e-goat for advice, you should be able to sort it yourself. So I’ll assume corporal or below.

Truthfully…….nobody on the goat will be able to advise you any near as well as your FS. Closed door confidential chat should sort it. If you are talking b0llocks he will know, and if this boss is as bad as you say then, once again, he will know. He will probably appreciate the information and trust you have shown him as well. He is the man to see.

Let us all know how you get on…….even if it’s from Colchester!

 

[muttywhitedog]

I take it this was a service computer being used and a service e-mail acct....

Therefore, dob him in it. Say you are going to sue the MOD (technically they are the owners of the e-mail acct) for defamation of character and watch the IT police string him up from the nearest lamp post quicker than a whore's knickers come down!!!

Trust me, the IT Police take a very dim view of inappropriate e-mails from your Service IT Acct!!!!

 

[Digzster]

You, your boss or both of you are the cause of this dilemma. Having absolutely nothing to base a judgment of you on (other than your first post), I find it difficult to read too much into the situation.

However, for the sake of argument (and the tone of your first post), I will assume that you are slightly up your own asre, in your bosses face yet good at your job. He we will assume is a weak manager and on the vindictive side.

If you are any rank higher than corporal then it is you at fault because you shouldn’t need to come on e-goat for advice, you should be able to sort it yourself. So I’ll assume corporal or below.

Truthfully…….nobody on the goat will be able to advise you any near as well as your FS. Closed door confidential chat should sort it. If you are talking b0llocks he will know, and if this boss is as bad as you say then, once again, he will know. He will probably appreciate the information and trust you have shown him as well. He is the man to see.

Let us all know how you get on…….even if it’s from Colchester!

Totally agree with you Bucc Boy, give the real guy in charge (FS) a fair airing of your problem keeping it to FACTS only. It will be hard to leave personal problems with the guy out of it, but you must do this. Also better to start off with "FS, can I ask you for some advice?" That way you are not appearing to go straight for the throat.

 

[youngjenkins]

Thankyou to every one who has taken the time to read and reply.

I'm going to sit here boiling at work all day, and then sit on it over the weekend and come to a decision. Usually my rash decisions end in disaster!

The reason why I came here for advice is firstly, because I dont think I'd get objective advice from my work colleagues as they'd probably just tell me what I wanted to hear, and secondly, I wanted to see if other people had had similar experiences and how they dealt with it? I know my usual way of dealing with things, and that is just not acceptable anymore I guess?

Once again thanks

p.s. If you dont hear from me soon, you'll know I went the 'other' route

YJ

 

[Pikeman]

If you go for the sit down and chat way, make sure you keep calm and dont let the person rile you up.

If you get angry and it shows the other guys going to get the advantage.

 

[Mongy Muppet]

So what happened, we're dying here!

 

[Fat2at]

Good luck with this - my only advice is to tread very carefully and keep your spidey-sense tingling for the signs that someone higher up may offer you an ideal solution whilst in reality be trying to shaft you - afterall, you are the lowest rank involved and a sneaky move/posting etc will solve the problem all round.

Other than that I have 4 things for you to consider:

1 - did he leave this message open intentionally? Maybe he would love to develop a pair and just say this to your face but just doesn't have it in him?

2 - Did he actually send it or just write it, leave it on show for a bit and then delete it? Have you taken the bait only to raise this matter for there to be no saved/sent evidence - result= you look like a paranoid back stabber.

3 - Copying his message is strictly verboten. Keep it but don't get it out to use as evidence. The PC Police can go back and check anyway. However - if I'd have seen that message I would have sent it to everyone on unit - starting with the Stn execs, myself and OC police. He wants to pass these thoughts on - you'd only be expanding the audience. Someone, somewhere would see it and think 'WTF?' - hopefully the solution would come from the top down and not from the bottom up.

4 - There's a problem where you work. You've tried to sort it and are now getting slagged. You may be part of the problem, you may not be, but the problem remains and has now been exascerbated on a personal level. Is this fight/issue worth the aggro? If he had a b*llocking, apologised etc would your day-to-day stuff be any better? There are a*seholes everywhere but it seems like it's fight-or-flight time. Would you be better just walking away (after telling him in an un-overhearable one-to-one what you know and what a cnut he is)?

Good luck buddy - had something a little like this a few years ago. I know that there are many 'doors that are always open' - your problem is that there's only usually one of those doors leading to a bod who will deal with this properly and more importantly from beginning to end.

 

[Don Key]

If this person leaves their login unlocked, why not use it to send the Staisch a little lurve letter? You know the sort of thing, "undying love in a particularly physical way"......"longing for your caress"......"whilst I nibble gently on the end of your...".

That should sort that problem out.

 

[youngjenkins]

Ok guys and girls, sorry to keep you waiting.

I spoke to someone yesterday. It is ongoing, but the 'problem' has been highlighted, and they are well aware of the 'issues'.

I'll let you all know when I do

 

[Soon To Leave]

YJ,

Well done. You've done the right thing.

A few posters have suggested you 'man-up' and accept your situation but why should you? With an ever shrinking Air Force, individuals are required to fully contribute to the operation of their sections, squadrons etc. Anyone bullying and/or harassing a work colleague is sabotaging the effectiveness of their team and anyone witnessing such behaviour without confronting it is just as much to blame.

The perpetrators of such behaviour are usually cowardly, devious, wastes of space that put others down to make themselves appear better than they really are. They are the ones that should 'man-up' to their own deficiencies by working on improving themselves.

You have been brave in highlighting your position and speaking to someone. Hopefully they will have the tenacity to do something quickly to resolve your situation. If not, take your complaint higher up and/or consider redress of complaint.

Good luck.

 

[Mongy Muppet]

Any update?

 

[youngjenkins]

I got sent away for a couple of days, but this was due to work so I have not had time to update, and it wasn't anything to do with the problem.

However, the person in question is also away for the time being, but the management have fully supported me in this case, have kept it local for the time being (at my request), but it WILL be dealt with on their return to unit.

If a satisfactory outcome doesn't happen, one of us will go I believe, and by the tasks I have been given recently, it may not be me? (or they could be blinding me with work whilst they pack my bags?)

Further updates to follow

YJ