Civil Servants SJARs

[Downsizer]

Does anybody have a civil servant working for them? If so who writes thier SJAR equivalent?

I seem to recall that CS SJARS are to be done by a commisioned officer but I can't find the reference...any help would be appreciated..thanks.

 

[Aces and Eights]

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[MrMasher]

Our civvies have their PAR (SJAR) written by their line manager.
Although we have a Sgt and 2 CT's in our workplace, their line manager is actually our boss, a Flt Lt. He writes (after the CT has written it!) their PAR.

 

[Realist78]

Can't find the reference but it's the JEngO or equivalent.

 

[FOMz]

I've got 4 civvies working in my place and they all report to a Flt Lt who's attended the civvy PAR and line managers course.

 

[Downsizer]

I've got 4 civvies working in my place and they all report to a Flt Lt who's attended the civvy PAR and line managers course.

Do you hapen to know which JSP states it should be a zob?

 

[FOMz]

Its in civil publication, ring HRMS at Bath up....

Its just like JPAC - but with sh1t loads more red tape.

But due to the civvys 'apparently' outranking us - it does need to be a commisioned officer.

 

[1Referee]

I am in a post with no Service in my line management with the exception of a Brigadier!!!!

So my SJAR is written by Civvies, as 1st, 2nd and not yet req 3rd RO.

However it is run through a FS/Flt Lt/Sqn Ldr, to ensure its compliant and competetive in terms of its written content and marks.

NOt sure where its written down, but it works here @ stanbridge

 

[Hu Jardon]

If they are E2 or above they should be done by a commisioned Officer. Exceptionally, with the agreement of the individual, the Unions and Uncle Tom Cobbly and all the powers that be at HRMS Bath may authorise a Warrant Officer to do it (been there done it), if that individual leaves and a new one replaces them then you have to go round the same route again (done that too).

HRMS is the civvy version of JPA and the reporting officers have to be "populated" onto HRMS to be able to report on a Civ - simples

It's not in a JSP as they are civvies, its somewhere in their rules & reg books

 

[wolfy]

The minimum requirement for reporting on a civilian is a line manager providing that they are a D band equivalent which is considered to be a junior officer usually a Flt Lt. They can be reported on by others eg a WO, however this must be with the agreement of the Trade unions, PPPA and the person concerned.

I would also add that the practise of SNCO's writing it for officers to sign off, is not acceptable and any officer doing so would be very foolish to do so.

 

[propersplitbrainme]

It's not in a JSP as they are civvies, its somewhere in their rules & reg books

Yep, its buried in the MOD manual. First paragraph..

Thank you for employing our Mk 52 civvy, we hope he/she will give you many hours of fruitless labour....

 

[Joe_90]

Why the fcuk if they do an SAC's job don't they get reported on like an SAC i.e by a SGT?

 

[Realist78]

Why the fcuk if they do an SAC's job don't they get reported on like an SAC i.e by a SGT?

Believe me, you wouldn't want to write them as they are sh1te, leave it to the junior officers (who, IMO, are equivalent to a semi competent JT anyway, but that's another subject).

 

[MrMasher]

I would also add that the practise of SNCO's writing it for officers to sign off, is not acceptable and any officer doing so would be very foolish to do so.

Care to elaborate why this would be foolish? After all most Flt Lt's never see someone doing their complete job, let alone see enough of a person to effectively and accurately write an assessment on them.
If a SNCO has day to day contact and is the manager of the workplace, surely his input into the report is a valuable tool?

 

[propersplitbrainme]

Care to elaborate why this would be foolish? After all most Flt Lt's never see someone doing their complete job, let alone see enough of a person to effectively and accurately write an assessment on them.
If a SNCO has day to day contact and is the manager of the workplace, surely his input into the report is a valuable tool?

Sounds reasonable of course, and thats the way it should work, i.e. the line manager who sees the individual working day in day out is best placed to write an accurate report.
But, of course, this is civilians we're talking about here and not servicemen. If the civvy concerned discovers that proper procedures weren't followed and he/she misses out on, say, a bonus award then they may resort to legal action.

 

[muttywhitedog]

If a SNCO has day to day contact and is the manager of the workplace, surely his input into the report is a valuable tool?

I have had a civilian working for me in my office for 3 years. Her appraisal is done by an officer. In my time, she has had 3 different ROs.

At no time has the Reporting Officer ever asked for my input. In fact, I dont even know when her appraisal is due. I tried to take an interest at the start of my tour but was told that it was "nowt to do with me".

 

[Cureton]

The civvy annual reports are normally done by your line manager, however this is similar to the RAF SJAR, where as it is dependant on the individuals equivalent Forces ranking is,. D grade line managers will do upto E1 non-industrial level or skill zone 3 industrial grade, with the second RO being of Squadron Leader level.

But has been previously warned on this thread, the "trade union" rule book swallowing pinkos will will check every I and T to make sure they are dotted and crossed iaw the Civil Service manual.

The whole amusing thing about the civvy reports is that they are a complete waste of everyones time, they have no bearing on promotion, change of employment or anything else you think that they may be looked at for. Basically you write the damn things just for the "bonus" paragraphs............................a complete waste of everyones time in reality !!

 

[propersplitbrainme]

The whole amusing thing about the civvy reports is that they are a complete waste of everyones time, they have no bearing on promotion, change of employment or anything else you think that they may be looked at for. Basically you write the damn things just for the "bonus" paragraphs............................a complete waste of everyones time in reality !!

Too right. Still, it keeps another set of civil servants in a job changing the format of the reports every other year DT_Xtremez_25:

 

[Cureton]

Too right. Still, it keeps another set of civil servants in a job changing the format of the reports every other year DT_Xtremez_25:

Otherwise known as "self designed" job creation scheme