Lockerbie Bomber potentially to go free

[Tashy_Man]

The Yanks tried that before. I think, that if they insisted it was an accident, not mny people would actually beleive it.

No Sh*t Morse

Crack on.............ffs............Tashy

 

[MeRlIn HaTeR]

The Yanks tried that before. I think, that if they insisted it was an accident, not mny people would actually beleive it.

The National Geographic program Air Crash Investigation showed a program on it LINK (it's only a trailer sorry)! It's an interesting watch and shows the difficulty of military and civilian de-confliction in a warzone.


There is also an episode on the right about the Lockerbie incident.

Personally I feel he would not have been found guilty in a re-trial, the prosecution case centred around the Maltese shop owner selling and identifying the Libyan too clothing that was found in the wreckage. Since the Libyan has been found guilty it has emerged he was shown a magazine article picturing the man on trial and has since been given American citizenship and a substantial pay off. It casts doubt on the authenticity of evidence that was a cornerstone to the prosecution case.

 

[Tashy_Man]

Since the Libyan has been found guilty it has emerged he was shown a magazine article picturing the man on trial and has since been given American citizenship and a substantial pay off. It casts doubt on the authenticity of evidence that was a cornerstone to the prosecution case.

So what you are saying is the American government are implicated in a "fit up" to get some Libyan fitted up for this crime......well not far from my thoughts but you had the balls to say it.........

Keep an eye out for those men in black they don't like the truth getting out.

Tashy

 

[MAINJAFAD]

I'm certain that the Libyans were the cause of the loss of Pan Am 103. Reason, The French blame them for the lost of a UTA DC-10 (UTA Flight 772) 9 months later, to the same type of attack (Bomb in a suitcase, exploding at altitude) over Niger. The reason the Libyan did that attack on the French was because the they gave air support to Chad, when Libya tried to take northern Chad under cover of a rebellion. France also supplied the Chad Army with 400 Toyota pickup trucks fitted with MILAN anti tank missile launchers, which in the last phase of the Chad/Libya conflict (known unsurprisingly as the 'Toyota War') lead to the Chad Army kicking two shade of Sh!te out of the Libyans, just as the US Armed forces did on a number of occasions.

 

[MeRlIn HaTeR]

Also found was a tiny fragment of a green-coloured printed circuit board which, as in the case of Pan Am Flight 103, turned out to have been from a timing device. This fragment was falsely identified by the FBI's Thomas Thurman as being manufactured by the Swiss firm Mebo, which had allegedly supplied a number of such devices to Libya. This was later certified as false when the CEO of Mebo Edwin Bollier admitted in 1991 that he had refused 4 million dollars from the FBI to testify that the part was from Mebo.

MAINJAFAD, your link was interesting, particularly the above quote. Is Al-Megrahi the right man or a convenient scapegoat? It further discredits the prosecution case against Al-Megrahi, making it even more likely he would be released after a second appeal.

I don't have an opinion on which country was behind either attack, I don't know enough about the politics of the time to make a judgement. However, it does not seem likely given the public evidence that Al-Megrahi is, in the eyes of British law, guilty.

 

[Stevienics]

I would like to profer an opinion.

It doesn't really matter to me from whence this gentleman originated, nor the cause, not the verdict, nor indeed whether the subsequent incarceration was correct.

We are extemely fortunate in that we are from, without exception in my opinion, the most level head headed and fair nation that God ever gifted this planet. We, as a Union, instinctively know right from wrong and are capable of the most severe and exceptional retribution as well as the most contrite and huge acts of charity. Irrespective of the enemy, and even more possibly here, irrespective of the ally.

Noblesse Oblige

The person is question will live less that 3 months and, whilst the ageing foreign protagonists will make much of the release of that person, we have also reason to be proud. Guilty or innocent we did not stoop to cruelly persecute the individual, where the national state(s) were are fault and despie the pressure. I think we remained the most decent of human beings, no matter what.

The fact that this man was released speaks more to our moral dominance over those of a lesser standing who might profit from his retention or demise, and indeed over those foul perpetrators who held no such values sacred, than words could say.

This, after all, is Britain. The rest of the world is Walmart.

 

[MAINJAFAD]

I would like to profer an opinion.

It doesn't really matter to me from whence this gentleman originated, nor the cause, not the verdict, nor indeed whether the subsequent incarceration was correct.

We are extemely fortunate in that we are from, without exception in my opinion, the most level head headed and fair nation that God ever gifted this planet. We, as a Union, instinctively know right from wrong and are capable of the most severe and exceptional retribution as well as the most contrite and huge acts of charity. Irrespective of the enemy, and even more possibly here, irrespective of the ally.

Noblesse Oblige

The person is question will live less that 3 months and, whilst the ageing foreign protagonists will make much of the release of that person, we have also reason to be proud. Guilty or innocent we did not stoop to cruelly persecute the individual, where the national state(s) were are fault and despie the pressure. I think we remained the most decent of human beings, no matter what.

The fact that this man was released speaks more to our moral dominance over those of a lesser standing who might profit from his retention or demise, and indeed over those foul perpetrators who held no such values sacred, than words could say.

This, after all, is Britain. The rest of the world is Walmart.

Oh he was guilty, the problem was that the most solid evidence we and the Spams had was most likely SigInt based, and couldn't be used in court. The UNSCR's that forced the Libyans to hand the two suspects over would have been vetoed by China or Russia had there been any doubt (Russia was the supplier of most of the Libyan weapons and they needed the money at the time).

The thing is, he didn't do that bombing off his own back, but under order's of top flight of the Libyan leadership, who don't tend to take no for an answer, hence he did what he was told.

I've got no problem with the Jock's letting him go, as we did the same with a number of IRA / Orange Nutters, but he's a dead man walking who has been released on Licence, and you have to draw a line somewhere.

 

[broadsword]

In todays Telegraph, Gaddaffi's son says the release is linked to UK-Libya trade deals.

No **** sherlock!!

Thing that annoys me is the denials from HMG. It's obvious to anyone with an O level whats going on...

DT_Xtremez_32:

 

[SepticCalling]

Reading all of your posts I must agree with the sentiment but surely the law is clear when it says beyond reasonable doubt? The desire to have a perpetrator may have subordinated common sense and basic law and a re trial just may have shown this to be so.
I have looked but I cannot find any threads showing similar high dudgeon about the IRA bomber who vapourised Tim Parry and Jon Ball in Warrington, or indeed the man who bombed the Conservative Conference Hotel who is now a minor TV personality, or the man who blew Lord Mountbatten away, who now lives a comfortable and quiet life.
Just remember that this Government is very soft on terror and crime, the victims always come second to the needs and wants of the criminal/terrorist!

 

[robetere]

Oh he was guilty, the problem was that the most solid evidence we and the Spams had was most likely SigInt based, and couldn't be used in court. The UNSCR's that forced the Libyans to hand the two suspects over would have been vetoed by China or Russia had there been any doubt (Russia was the supplier of most of the Libyan weapons and they needed the money at the time).

The thing is, he didn't do that bombing off his own back, but under order's of top flight of the Libyan leadership, who don't tend to take no for an answer, hence he did what he was told.

I've got no problem with the Jock's letting him go, as we did the same with a number of IRA / Orange Nutters, but he's a dead man walking who has been released on Licence, and you have to draw a line somewhere.

You think he's guilty on evidence that might not even exist?
Do you honestly think that Russia or China care enough about one guy to kick up a fuss, especially if he was just a middleman?

 

[BillyBunter]

Well as a Scottish person i am deeply embarressed and annoyed the decision was taken on one person. The Decision made was the wrong one and the Scottish people will suffer for one persons actions. I dont think that one person should have the decisions to make a country suffer due to his thoughts . It makes a mockery of all what we had good and now we look like ****s .

The good people of our country had no say in this except one person from the SNP , now we are a thought of worse than the taliban and our exports will suffer (A petition to ban all whiskey I beleive) I just think if they do that then we should ban all our oil that gets pumped to the USA.

**** it all , strongbow is not made in USA or Libya so who gives a monkeys !!!

 

[rest have risen above me]

Well as a Scottish person i am deeply embarressed and annoyed the decision was taken on one person. The Decision made was the wrong one and the Scottish people will suffer for one persons actions. I dont think that one person should have the decisions to make a country suffer due to his thoughts . It makes a mockery of all what we had good and now we look like ****s .

The good people of our country had no say in this except one person from the SNP , now we are a thought of worse than the taliban and our exports will suffer (A petition to ban all whiskey I beleive) I just think if they do that then we should ban all our oil that gets pumped to the USA.

**** it all , strongbow is not made in USA or Libya so who gives a monkeys !!!

They voted for him thats where there say was.

 

[he_who_dares_rodney]

The Yanks tried that before. I think, that if they insisted it was an accident, not many people would actually beleive it.

Isn't there footage of the shootdown by the Yanks with the crew a whooping and hollering like they'd just won the Italian Lottery

As to releasing him unless they fly out Ronnie Biggs' doctor he'll be dead in a few months anyway
If we'd released a dead body he'd have gone home a martyr and got an even bigger welcome
I didn't see Hilary Clinton and "Sir" Ted Kennedy squealing in horror when Bill Clinton helped broker the Good Friday Deal to release loads of convicted terrorists back on to the streets of Northern Ireland

As per usual it's the Yanks version of do as we tell you democracy
Let them boycott Scotish and British goods

As to taking their holidays in Ireland as they drive round all excited about being 10th generation Irish perhaps someone can point out all those nice donations to the IRA from Boston bars went straight to Gaddafi to buy weapons and semtex

Maybe he kept some for a bit of subcontracting for his own boys

 

[sid the squid]

One good thing is at least the "british taxpayer" wont have to pay to keep the fecker.

And another point is will all the other murderers,rapists etc who contract a terminal illness asked to be released on compasionate grounds ?

 

[R_Squared]

One good thing is at least the "british taxpayer" wont have to pay to keep the fecker.

And another point is will all the other murderers,rapists etc who contract a terminal illness asked to be released on compasionate grounds ?

Only if they're in Scotland, there's a big pile of oil involved, and a bunch of conspiracy nuts start banging on about how innocent they are and what a travesty it is.
Then almost certainly it would seem.

 

[Shugster]

Nothing like Oil and the waft of easy cash to help grease the wheels of justice eh?

UK is broke, a nice little Oil deal with the Libyans might mean Gordy won't have to sell one of his houses. DT_Xtremez_14:

Sorry to quote myself but many others have said the same thing, now it seems there might just be a tiny, weeny bit of truth in it...

http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/8239572.stm

At least we'll all see the benefit of this money coming in..... DT_Xtremez_14: Or maybe ones' todger is a kipper? DT_Xtremez_25: