RAF Regt- A spent Force!

[shish, chop.. halloumi.]

So B&T you say that another deployment would 'overstretch them' so what's the point of a Regt that is only useful for annual CCS and guard trng and the odd stint in the sandpit?

The Pongoes are taking over Rapier so we may aswell do away with the RAF Regt, they are a spent force with no more capability than us 'tradesmen' with guns and bullets, sorry weapons and rounds.

They might show lots of bravado, but they have had their day, get rid and let the Barmy Army/ Royal Marines do the job.

Agreed.. although I norte that you have limited the scope of your concept. We should ask REME to look after our helicopters too (they have the best ones anyway, so why not?), and we should get more civvies in to change the boxes on the jets whilst we're at it. We can use their levels of knowledge and experience to look after parts of Typhoon too, and it'll allow us not to see so many old Techies who reached the apex of their contributions in 1986. Any serious work can be done by BAe of course, which would allow the techies to be retrained as Flems, possibly something they can do to a suitable standard in depth AND width? Stackers can all go 100% civvy, as can the chefs and bluntys, and we can ask Blackwater to stand on gates and do the other menial stuff that seems to be too demanding for tradesmen in general.

Problem solved!

 

[Vagabond]

This is a blast from the past, is getting going again?

 

[dodgysootie]

Again, read post 71.
DS

 

[Jonesy]

Calm down fella, I undertstand that your back may be up at what I've written, but please don't misunderstand me, I've nothing personal against Rocks. Firstly, you can see from what I've written that I was suggesting that the SAS are NOT a Combat Support Arm as had been suggested, since they are SF (very much a teeth arm). If you had read my post through fully you might have realised that before you shot off.

I am not trying to suggest that either the RAF or the Army could do the job better. I am arguing that it makes more sense to have the entire role absorbed into the Army in order to give them an extra FE@R and to allow this capability to benefit from the wider experience of a combat-tested force.

Of course you'll be upset by the thought of the RAF Regiment not existing, but it is just not cost effective. Thats why it lost it's Armoured and now it's AD role. It has been a death of a thousand cuts, but with only a handfull of field Squadrons it makes perfect sense to fold the organization into the Army.

Without wanting to run too radical, its likely that most of the RAF will get absorbed into the Army in the future, if we keep having wars against guys who have no aircraft. That thought makes my blood run cold, but I have to admit that at a Senior level we keep taking it in the ass when compared to our cousins in green. You may think my opinion naive, but politicians will be asking the question soon and this argument is only an extension of that thinking.

If you can offer a decent argument as to why the airfield defence role is so specialised that the Army cannot adopt it, I would be most willing to listen to you. But I reckon that youre just feeling a tad wound up at the moment and feel the need to vent your spleen on me. You guys can yak on all day about how difficult perimeter defence is, but it is a financial numbers game played at the Treasury that ultimately dictates whether we need to retain the regiment or just train mainstream RAF personnel to do your job. I'm sorry if that hurts, but its a fact.

WHO IS THIS GOB ****E PRICK? does he know anything about the Regt's history, me thinks NOT! Go read up on it, unlike the Pongo units we DO NOT need Other trades like Sigs or RLC to do our secondary jobs, WE DO THEM ALL, HENCE WHY WE ARE A SPECIALISED FORCE!

Oh and read the RA history books, they handed Rapier to the Regt because they couldn't handle it!

 

[shish, chop.. halloumi.]

I didn't get as far as to read M for Mothers missive. Once he gets the hang of how to do proper wind ups, he might be quite good.

DT_Xtremez_30:

 

[rugby then work]

I didn't get as far as to read M for Mothers missive. Once he gets the hang of how to do proper wind ups, he might be quite good.

DT_Xtremez_30:

Since MFM hasn't posted on the site since March 2006 you may be waiting a while.DT_Xtremez_21:

 

[PLC1966]

And of course, the Army has so many guys spare, they would only be too happy to do the job the RAF Regt currently carries out. Airfield Defence, Attchment on SHF Sqn's etc...

 

[MTTechsrule]

Being employed with the RAF Regt in the past, I can tell you they are the ultimate professionals at what they do, I would rather have them protecting me than the Army!

 

[hammy4190]

The Regiment

The Regiment

I have served in the Regiment for 21 years, have seen huge role changes as those years went on, jobs that the regiment should have got for whatever reason have been turned down by our own senior officers.

At the moment the Regiment runs at around 78% of strength in Sac's and a little above that in Cpls so is really struggling to fill operational Sqn strength, whatever our leaders might say PVRs and personel leaving at the end of there natural time are still having an effect an effect not negated by the loss of rapier as two of those Sqns were formed into another field Sqn.

Facing fact the continual turn round of Bas/Kan involves four Sqns two on and two training to go, where would we find strength to support a new task! add all the other roles like FAC/SFSG that draw strength away from sqns we are running at full stretch.

Most of you see the likes of me in a Force protection training role and I although busy am by no means stretched and enjoy the job, that being said most training units without exception are working with one, two or more gapped posts, I still do guard as you do.

Do I see the corps as a spent force no recruiting is on the up and as said by yourselves and often expressed by senior officers and quietly among the Army units we work with we are valued for our professionalism and high standards.DT_Xtremez_28:
That being said role on civvy street and my pension, no continuance here bring on new challenges.

 

[armyJIM]

Its a shame when any unit looks like it may vanish .. its happened to a lot of very famour regiments in the Army but at the end of the day fighting on the ground should be left to the army as fighting in the air should be left to you fly boys

 

[GunnerP]

Get a life you Pongo ****!!

 

[GunnerP]

Again, read post 71.
DS

Not Rocket science!!!!!
P

 

[Red-Rock]

As has been previously mentioned the Regt is getting bigger again and we are becoming more relevant in the current climate of ops. And also remember you thick pongo, if we weren't doing the task of defending airfields then you would be doing it. Stag on cnut chops ::/:

 

[fiveonerock]

M for Mother you are a ****ing moron who knows little to nothing. A battalion is not 4-5 sqn's size. Each sqn is equivalent to a company plus. So it's more like 3 3.5 sqn's tops. Each sqn also has roughly battalion level firepower available to it. How many army companies do you know with JTACs in each one? End of dit is mate, the corps is expanding it's roles if anything. The parts of the army that matter, i.e. the teeth arms, not fat REMF ****ers, are being forced to sit up and take notice as we work more and more with them, they are more and more impressed with our attitude and professionalism. 51s recent tour of Basra demonstrated this, with praise from the full spectrum of UK and US forces. End of dit mate.

 

[stubblehopper]

as some one who serverd the corp as a regular and an oggie the real enemies of the raf regiment are there own officers at the top they never fight our corner and can be quite spitefull many years ago they chopped an oggie sqn purly for the fact on paper there was more oggie sqns than regulars so you can all say what you want the blue airforce never crap on us that was done purely by our wankers at the top

 

[Chaka]

if we weren't doing the task of defending airfields then you would be doing it.

I thought RAF Penguins and the MPGS 'defended' RAF stations these days?DT_Xtremez_14:


All Rocks do these days is CCS, play on the SAT range, gas recruits, mince about on QCS and end up in jail in Thetford on friday night after drinking too much Diamond White and shagging the local hippo...don't they?

Standfast in the ranks.......only teasing.....you guys are my heroes, unlike the RAF Police who are the true spent force!DT_Xtremez_15:

 

[ICATQ]

Its a shame when any unit looks like it may vanish .. its happened to a lot of very famour regiments in the Army but at the end of the day fighting on the ground should be left to the army as fighting in the air should be left to you fly boys

So when is the AAC going to handover the Apache then?

DT_Xtremez_44:

 

[ICATQ]

I thought RAF Penguins and the MPGS 'defended' RAF stations these days?DT_Xtremez_14:


All Rocks do these days is CCS, play on the SAT range, gas recruits, mince about on QCS and end up in jail in Thetford on friday night after drinking too much Diamond White and shagging the local hippo...don't they?

Standfast in the ranks.......only teasing.....you guys are my heroes, unlike the RAF Police who are the true spent force!DT_Xtremez_15:

...................yawn

 

[gunner j 344]

New SQN and FP WING to be formed

New SQN and FP WING to be formed

looks like we really are a spent force ?? PER ARDUA
AS THE ARMY PREPARE TO LOSE 3 BATTALIONSDT_Xtremez_14:

 

[ICATQ]

What I would like to know is where the Gunners are coming from to fill the FP HQ let alone the RFS. The Regt is a little undermanned - so how can they possibly fill this or will it be yet another undermaned Sqn with bods ripped out of other Sqns to fill it up for Dets?

Not that it is needed now anyway.

DT_Xtremez_14: