Ronnie Biggs parole bid...

[Shugster]

Ronnie Biggs, "The great train robber", is again asking for parole...

Had he served his sentance he would already be a free man.

But No, our Ronnie decided to run off to South America for over 30 years.

Why the fcuk should we let him out? He still has over 20 years to complete.
If he dies in prision then tough $h1t.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/norfolk/7474733.stm

 

[Ex-Bay]

As he was in foreign parts, it did not cost the taxpayer much to house and feed him. He was also no risk to the UK.
I understand he's ill. He might as well be out as in.

 

[Shugster]

True, he didn't cost the taxpayer in food and digs. But the initial hunt for him probably cost a bob or two.

Sick or not... If you can't do the time ronnie....DT_Xtremez_25:

He should die in his cell. He chose to have his freedom early in South America. Had he done his porridge like a good boy he'd be a free man by now.

 

[Scaley brat]

As he was in foreign parts, it did not cost the taxpayer much to house and feed him. He was also no risk to the UK.
I understand he's ill. He might as well be out as in.

Last year I asked for this quote to be added to a Daily hate comments page as I couldn't do it from work. I think they found it a little extreme as I never saw it added.

You fluffy liberals make me sick. This man was a vicious criminal who committed armed robbery. Ronnie Biggs should stay in jail until his death or he completes his sentence. He had plenty of opportunity to pay his dues to society but he didn't, he ran away to another country and sat laughing at us until HE chose to come back for free medical care from a system he didn't even contribute to.. Buster Edwards did his time and paid his debt,
What is the point of incarceration if you are going to release prisoners early, they are there to protect society FROM their parasitical ways. Punish first, rehabilitate later, good behaviour is not committing the crime in the first place.
Prison should be the most miserable place you could ever be sent, not a four star hotel.
If you can't do the time, don't do the crime.

I still firmly stand by that remark. I bet he was a really fun bloke to know, life and soul of the party.
Now ask yourself how the train driver or his family felt. Biggs had his chance, let him rot.

 

[Weebl]

Compare his crime and the sentence with varied other crimes and sentences.

Yes he stole vast amounts (for the time) of money and embarrased the government of the day.

One of the gang of 15 ****ted somebody with an iron bar (never identified)

You now want him to die in his cell?

Some random chav knifes somebody in the street he gets 18 months.

Biggs is no longer a danger to society, aforementioned random Chav will still be a violent little thug on release.

 

[Scaley brat]

Some random chav knifes somebody in the street he gets 18 months.

Biggs is no longer a danger to society, aforementioned random Chav will still be a violent little thug on release.

And that is your justification for letting him out ? That's pretty fcuking weak mate.
He fled justice and laughed at us first from Oz, then later from Rio after the commission of a vicious crime. The driver, Mills, recovered but had constant trauma headaches the rest of his life. He did the crime, he should do the time he was sentenced to.
For those who don't know about it, THIS is the story on wikipedia.
He has a debt, he should pay it !

 

[Weebl]

No, that is not my reason to release him. I will leave that up to the Parole Board. However the fact that he robbed a train and stole loads of money in a well publicised case which has since had films made about it is not a reason to deny him the Parole process when random stabby Chav is out in 8-10 months because his name was never in the papers.

As to 'commision of a vicious crime' One out of the 15 strong gang decided to use an iron bar on the driver. I agree that as a member of that gang he shares a responsibility for that act but worse happens in major towns every Saturday night after kicking out time.

 

[Cooheed]

But No, our Ronnie decided to run off to South America for over 30 years.

Why the fcuk should we let him out? He still has over 20 years to complete.
If he dies in prision then tough $h1t.

And during all those years he passed himself over as some sort of fcuking celebrity, even recording a track with the Sex Pistols (No-one is Innocent). Let the cnut dribble and rot.

 

[PVRisthefuture]

And during all those years he passed himself over as some sort of fcuking celebrity, even recording a track with the Sex Pistols (No-one is Innocent). Let the cnut dribble and rot.

Well said that man (cooheed)! DT_Xtremez_32:

 

[Scaley brat]

No, that is not my reason to release him. I will leave that up to the Parole Board. However the fact that he robbed a train and stole loads of money in a well publicised case which has since had films made about it is not a reason to deny him the Parole process when random stabby Chav is out in 8-10 months because his name was never in the papers.

As to 'commision of a vicious crime' One out of the 15 strong gang decided to use an iron bar on the driver. I agree that as a member of that gang he shares a responsibility for that act but worse happens in major towns every Saturday night after kicking out time.

I'm sorry weebl I strongly disagree. Give him the board by all means, he is entitled by law. However, he has to answer for his crime. Because chav tw@tters are fighting in our towns and get away with it isn't sufficient justification to let him walk away. For the record I think they should get 10 years hard labour for making our towns and cities no go areas too.
British justice has to toughen up. The youth of today are seriously taking the pi$$ and I feel it's poeple like Biggs and their attitudes to crime and punishment that started the whole crappy mess on it's way down the slide.

They made a film about Buster as well, he did his time so should Biggs. If he had come back years ago he would be a free man now. He had his chance and he made his choice. All I'm saying is he should now pay the cost of that choice, no matter how high it may be.

 

[planesailing]

Ronnie Biggs

Ronnie Biggs

I agree with Scaley Brat, he was a big time a*sehole that initially beat the system.
We need to send a message to the other a*seholes, do the crime serve the time, I have no sympathey with w*ankers like this, he should serve his time, it was after all his choice.

 

[detmonkey]

Allow ronnie his parole as he is by law. Then just deny it. It is simple. Like other posters have said if you cant do the time then don't do the f##king crime.
This country needs to wise up and toughen up.
As for knife crime it should be maximum sentences. If it means putting these little pr##ks 2 or 3 to a cell and taking away their playstations then so be it.

 

[Weebl]

Because chav tw@tters are fighting in our towns and get away with it isn't sufficient justification to let him walk away. For the record I think they should get 10 years hard labour for making our towns and cities no go areas too.
British justice has to toughen up.

I 100% agree. I was in no way suggesting that we let Chavs get away lightly so we should let him walk. I think I may have stated my argument badly. Anybody caught 'going equipped' to do somebody harm should get leathered in court and get a sentence that will deter.

They made a film about Buster as well, he did his time so should Biggs. If he had come back years ago he would be a free man now. He had his chance and he made his choice. All I'm saying is he should now pay the cost of that choice, no matter how high it may be.

My argument is; IMO the original sentence for the Great Train Robbers was driven by the Government of the day and was out of proportion to the crime. The majority of the gang had no intention of doing anybody harm (although by their actions somebody was hurt and they should bear some responsibility for that) It was, as it always is, about money. They nicked an absolute fortune and they got sentences that would be comparable to those given to a murderer.

Whats worse, nicking a couple of mill, or topping somebody?

IMO crimes against a person using violence should be punished much, much more severely that they were or are.

That is not to say however I feel he should be released just because he is old and frail, like you have mentioned he has not served much of his sentence and an early release may (will?) send the wrong message.

I do feel though that Parole Boards should have one overiding criteria for early release. Will this person pose a threat to society if we let him walk. I am not sure that releasing Biggs will pose such a threat.

 

[Shugster]

Will the scum be let out early?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/norfolk/8119209.stm

To quote Weebl...

I do feel though that Parole Boards should have one overiding criteria for early release. Will this person pose a threat to society if we let him walk. I am not sure that releasing Biggs will pose such a threat.

This is what the parole board are thinking, is he a threat to society? Of course not.

But he's already had his freedom, if he'd done his porridge like a man he would be free by now. But he didn't and that's the message we have to send to others like him... He still hasn't paid up for his crime, when he has he can go.
DT_Xtremez_32:

 

[Dave-exfairy]

Unfortuantely Shug we live in a bleeding heart liberal society and all people see is an old sick man, not a piece of criminal filth who ran the first chance he got.

 

[Barch]

In addition to the original crime of 'The Great Train Robbery' he was also charged and found guilty of absconding from custody, as far as I know this sentence hasn't started yet.

It seems everyone has forgotten this in their 'for and against' arguments.

From the information in the media it seems he returned to the UK to partake in NHS treatment for his ailments - this he is now getting. Leave him behind the walls of his gaol, he is a burden on our system let him be a burden in the cheapest possible way.

 

[Vushtrri]

As a number of others have pointed out.....he has already had his freedom......he just chose to have it before he completed his sentence.............that was HIS choice so let him die where he belongs ...doing his time in clink.

 

[Mightierthan]

It seems we have a choice.

Let him remain in prison, confined to one room because of his incarceration, and we pay for his food, accommodation, entertainment and welfare through our taxes. or

Let him go home where he will be confined to one room because of his state of health, and he pays for his own food, accommodation, entertainment and welfare.

 

[Barch]

It seems we have a choice.

Let him remain in prison, confined to one room because of his incarceration, and we pay for his food, accommodation, entertainment and welfare through our taxes. or

Let him go home where he will be confined to one room because of his state of health, and he pays for his own food, accommodation, entertainment and welfare.

Where will he get the money to pay for that with, the reason he came back to the UK was because he couldn't afford to pay for his medication and living expenses in Brazil or wherever it was.

 

[POW]

When he first arrived back in the UK after being on the run we were told by his family and Dr's that he was going to die. Well that was years ago and he is still hanging on.

Even if he is released from prison he is going to cost the tax payer a fortune as he needs to be looked after, so leave him in prison and let him die there.