Introduction Of Alcohol Testing Facility Within The Raf

[ElTenEleven]

I have heard today that from 1 Sept 09 the CO's can introduce the means to conduct drinking and driving alcohol testing within the bounds of RAF stns.

Personally, I think this is a great idea, I have had a few of my guys being accused of driving whilst having drunk too much but as the RAFP have been unable to test it has always been down to the judgement of the Police. With the introduction of this test the same as in a civilian Police Station will give clear evidence either way!

ETE

DT_Xtremez_30:

 

[Tin basher]

Good idea, the drink drive law has quite specific limits why should you be exempt from these legal limits just because you are on an RAF camp. Who will be empowered to test you and enforce it. A member of the local civvy police force called in to verify the readings after RAFPOL have stopped and bagged you or acting unpaid young thruster who is bored on nights?

 

[propersplitbrainme]

Akrotiri was using a breathlyser in 1994! It proved to be a major incentive in dissuading drink-driving which was quite prevelant when I first arrived there.

 

[Pikeman]

Lets sit back and wait for the UNFIT for duty charges on Friday morningsDT_Xtremez_30:

 

[gemarriott]

raf cops breathalised me when I rolled a rover in 1976. Passed it tooDT_Xtremez_14:

 

[Justacabbie]

They used to have it in RAF(G)....

 

[GoonerFoa]

Prime time to catch will be after Bop night I imagine (if they still hapen on a normal unit). How many guys are getting merry to try and bag a Wraf (or the other way round) and then drive to work in the morning, not quite fully sober.

 

[Talk Wrench]

It's a good thing and a long time coming.

Also, with the advent of MIL 145 and EASA part 145 affecting the workings of the military, it was inevitable that at some point, aircrew and groundcrew would be subjected to the same scrutiny as those in civil aviation.

The end of the Thursday night Squadron Beercall ???DT_Xtremez_26:




TW

 

[Fu Fu Valve]

The end of the Thursday night Squadron Beercall ???DT_Xtremez_26:




TW

Not really, just needs a boss with big enough nads to stand everyone down on the Friday.

DT_Xtremez_14:

 

[185]

got pulled in germany by raf cops, 1979 after a night shift at 431 engine bay.on my back to gilers.thay had breathalisers then. lucky 431 bar had closed by the time i finished.

 

[docbombhead]

Prime time to catch will be after Bop night I imagine (if they still hapen on a normal unit). How many guys are getting merry to try and bag a Wraf (or the other way round) and then drive to work in the morning, not quite fully sober.

Or any night of the week in the old mans club and zobs mess DT_Xtremez_42:

 

[Bucc Boy]

I have heard today that from 1 Sept 09 the CO's can introduce the means to conduct drinking and driving alcohol testing within the bounds of RAF stns.

Personally, I think this is a great idea, I have had a few of my guys being accused of driving whilst having drunk too much but as the RAFP have been unable to test it has always been down to the judgement of the Police. With the introduction of this test the same as in a civilian Police Station will give clear evidence either way!

ETE

DT_Xtremez_30:

About time you changed your name to something a little more aircraft specific don't you think Mr L10? Lol

Not that I would advocate drink driving at all........but if you are happily driving along minding your own business, doing no harm, I don't see a problem. I mean, when was the last time you saw a kiddie walking across the pan or coming out of PSF?

It's all gone far too PC. Innocent until you fcuk up and get caught was how it used to be......now it's all guilty till we catch you!!

 

[MontyPlumbs]

It's a good thing and a long time coming.

Also, with the advent of MIL 145 and EASA part 145 affecting the workings of the military, it was inevitable that at some point, aircrew and groundcrew would be subjected to the same scrutiny as those in civil aviation.

The end of the Thursday night Squadron Beercall ???DT_Xtremez_26:




TW

Good point TW, drug and alcohol testing is compulsory for anyone in a safety critical industry.

Unfortunately in the RAF it will be reserved for Sergeants and below, doubt you'll see any Rodneys being pulled over by the fuzz/

 

[rest have risen above me]

Not really, just needs a boss with big enough nads to stand everyone down on the Friday.

DT_Xtremez_14:

As was said end of the Thurs night beercall.....

 

[R_Squared]

raf cops breathalised me when I rolled a rover in 1976. Passed it tooDT_Xtremez_14:

So not drunk, just a biff behind the wheel?

 

[gemarriott]

So not drunk, just a biff behind the wheel?

The cop who breathalysed me lived in the same block of flats and my Mrs was his Mrs's bessie mateDT_Xtremez_14:


Not that it influenced him at all or I had been in Snoopys with the rest of the shift's plumbers or anything.....................................perhaps I'd best shut up nowDT_Xtremez_42:

 

[Stevienics]

Or any night of the week in the old mans club and zobs mess DT_Xtremez_42:

Not quite true. As I recall the mess beer calls were always early doors in order to assure the full 12 hour window before the next days flying. The whole thing ended in quite early on - and if you were rostered for the morning your presence at the bar wouldn't bode too well. It's the one time that playing second fiddle to the master race kept the rest of us non-flying plebs on the sraight and narrow.

 

[penfold93]

About time you changed your name to something a little more aircraft specific don't you think Mr L10? Lol

Not that I would advocate drink driving at all........but if you are happily driving along minding your own business, doing no harm, I don't see a problem. I mean, when was the last time you saw a kiddie walking across the pan or coming out of PSF?

It's all gone far too PC. Innocent until you fcuk up and get caught was how it used to be......now it's all guilty till we catch you!!

Having seen the results in A&E of drink driving then I have to say what a rather short sighted response (polite language as it is not in fight club), it has nothing to do with being PC, if this initiative saves one life then its successful, if you are caught drink driving by civ pol then its bad news so why should you get away with it on camp. As many have said most people will probably get caught on the morning after and I dont believe it will 'just be SNECs and juniors i have a sneaking feeling that the the Feds will take great delight in catching Zobs no doubt a score system will be put in place or something similar to 'snooker' that is played by Civ Pol.

 

[Bucc Boy]

Having seen the results in A&E of drink driving then I have to say what a rather short sighted response (polite language as it is not in fight club), it has nothing to do with being PC, if this initiative saves one life then its successful, if you are caught drink driving by civ pol then its bad news so why should you get away with it on camp. As many have said most people will probably get caught on the morning after and I dont believe it will 'just be SNECs and juniors i have a sneaking feeling that the the Feds will take great delight in catching Zobs no doubt a score system will be put in place or something similar to 'snooker' that is played by Civ Pol.

Next you'll be advocating the RAF pol carrying out on the spot searches (for weapons), impromtue room searches (for weapons) and the taking of DNA samples (in case a discharged weapon is found)..................Of course you can carry it all on the back of the weedy statement of, 'if this initiative saves one life then its successful'.

Take a stance for your rights for Gods sake, once you give them up you certainly wont be getting them back.

 

[sands-gigolo]

Drinking and driving

Drinking and driving

I'm sure they've tried to do this before but found it was a complete legal nightmare. What’s going to happen to someone who is caught? They cant even charge them as the road side breath test carried out by CIVPOL is not evidential at all, in fact you could blow 200 at the road and you would still only be arrested and taken to a station to blow on the calibrated intoxometer machine with the procedure conducted by a qualified officer under the supervision of a custody Sgt with both visual and audio recording of the procedure. If the machine is broken or out of cal date and there's not one close by there is a good chance you'll walk.

I just think its a none starter, no CO is going to spend £50,000+ on a machine plus the costs of maintaining it, ensuring there is at least 2 officers per shift qualified and current in its operation to try and catch someone on the pan.

Lets face it unless your overseas the RAF POL have no legal right to do anything to your license and as for calling the CIVPOL unless you can prove the person has driven the vehicle on the public road they won't even arrest as the law states that

"Drink driving is defined as driving or attempting to drive a motor vehicle on the public highway or a public place whilst under the influence of alcohol exceeding the prescribed limit." therefore if all your doing is driving on camp they can't do anything.

SO what’s likely to happen, possibly RAF POL will stand at the gate with the breath box and carry out preliminary breath tests on drivers seen driving on public roads before entering camp, then call CIVPOL or they'll pull drivers over on camp and if they blow positive 35+ try and rail road them into giving a blood or urine sample so they can be charged and be banned from driving on camp.

Good idea, cant see the logistics working, but can see a few civil laws being broken or abused trying to make it work...