Mother denied pill by Muslim pharmacist

[Talk Wrench]

Maybe so but it is her RIGHT in LAW to be able to buy the pill she required. He is effectively not allowing her right to buy and therefore going against the LAW ......

AM I wrong ?

Crack on.......................DT_Xtremez_09:

No mate, you're not wrong at all. It doesn't matter what your beliefs are, LAW is LAW. But has any law been broken?

off topic As much as I despise the french, at least they have a secular society.


TW

 

[grumpyoldb]

But then it's her right to have a bunk up when she wants and her right to go bareback and her right to buy the pill.

IS that right? DT_Xtremez_34:

Fair enough mate, but you won't catch me going bareback on a one night stand. The MA pill may cure the pregnancy...........but she obviously wasn't worried about STD's.

Just an irresponsible female in my book.

 

[vim_fuego]

Reading the article might clear up a few things to do with her:

Ruth Johnson, 33, who has two children, including a month-old baby, had not been using her usual method of contraception with her fiancée.

It looks like she was going belt and braces just in case...And the bloke in question was a locum who I'll wager won't be requested for again rights or not...

 

[propersplitbrainme]

Off Topic

Separating, for a moment, the Service rule about everybody being dead fit and capable of 'fighting', there is no reason why some physically disabled people should not be capable of doing some of the jobs in the mob. For instance, does it require an able-bodied person to operate a computer (on the basis that they are mentally so suited)? I beg leave to doubt it. That should deal with a lot of Admin, then (when dealing with leg injuries). That admirably determined soldier without a right leg who is back in sandy parts (there's a Royal Marine Captain as well), might well work in Stores or even the Armoury, for example.

We are supposed to live in a society where the ability to do a particular job is the sole reason, not whether they are whole in body. (Equal Opportunity?).

I don't believe this IS off topic EB. With regards people with disabilities doing desk jobs, I kind of adressed this back here...

http://www.e-goat.co.uk/forums/showpost.php?p=292065&postcount=28

I accept what you are saying if that person's physically difference does not in any way preclude them from deploying on active service from day one; i..e they join up unable to deploy as opposed to being downgraded to that status during their service. Because then, in my view, they would fail the 'ability to do the job' critereon.

 

[grumpyoldb]

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Reading the article might clear up a few things to do with her:

Ruth Johnson, 33, who has two children, including a month-old baby, had not been using her usual method of contraception with her fiancée.

It looks like she was going belt and braces just in case...And the bloke in question was a locum who I'll wager won't be requested for again rights or not...

Thanks for pointing that out.

So she didn't take it up the wrong 'un, this week?

 

[Albert Park]

I don't believe this IS off topic EB. With regards people with disabilities doing desk jobs, I kind of adressed this back here...

http://www.e-goat.co.uk/forums/showpost.php?p=292065&postcount=28

I accept what you are saying if that person's physically difference does not in any way preclude them from deploying on active service from day one; i..e they join up unable to deploy as opposed to being downgraded to that status during their service. Because then, in my view, they would fail the 'ability to do the job' critereon.

... and that has explained exactly why the prescription was not dispensed to the patient. Thanks for clearing that one up - you might as well close the thread, now.

 

[laboratoryqueen]

I am afraid you are way out of your league on this one and as member of the medical professions I shall correct you.

All medical professionals have the right to uphold their beliefs within the work place just because he is a muslim I feel it has been made news worthy, however there are many nurses that I know refused to work in gynae and obs due to their pro life Christian beliefs and so will not look after abortion patients

Everyones religious beliefs are hopefully respected, by the NMC, RCN, GMC, RPS and all the other professional bodies, not just Muslims so your little throw away statement ( highlighted in red) is misguided, misinformed and quite frankly bollox. But then again I'm only a medical professional what would I KnowDT_Xtremez_15:

While nurses etc can refuse to work on a particular section for any personal choice, be that religion based or simply because they feel they could not do that mode of care, is respected and generally upheld. When you are working in a particular section you are not meant to impose your beliefs on anyone in your care, you are expected to give them the care and treatment which they require no matter what your personal belief may be. You are not allowed to show discrimination towards any person in your care. You might rant and rave about someone in the staff room or in private, but you must show professionalism and not allow your personal opinion to interfere in that care.

He chose Pharmacy as his line of medicine, that includes dispensing medication such as the contraceptive pill and the morning after pill.

The woman in question is in a long term relationship, engaged to the person, has two children, one of which is only one month old. She took the sensible option of requesting the morning after pill to be refused on the grounds of the pharmacists personal belief.

 

[penfold93]

The woman in question is in a long term relationship, engaged to the person, has two children, one of which is only one month old. She took the sensible option of requesting the morning after pill to be refused on the grounds of the pharmacists personal belief.

So the Pharmacist has relegious beliefs is that a crime now.

He chose Pharmacy as his line of medicine, that includes dispensing medication such as the contraceptive pill and the morning after pill.

So what your saying here is that all Muslims/ Pro lifers are not allowed to be pharmacists?

When you are working in a particular section you are not meant to impose your beliefs on anyone in your care, you are expected to give them the care and treatment which they require no matter what your personal belief may be. You are not allowed to show discrimination towards any person in your care. You might rant and rave about someone in the staff room or in private, but you must show professionalism and not allow your personal opinion to interfere in that care.

So its alright to practice discrimination but not to the patients face. That is why all the professional bodies recognise individuals beliefs and your right to not have to work there, if I had to look after someone who was a Kiddie Fiddler I dont know if I could, but i cannot be forced to look after them and i have the backing of the professional bodies. Any form of discrimination either to the patient or you gobbing of in the staffroom is not exactly what I would describe as being a professional, and a personal opinion is very different from a religious belief which ever way you look at it.

 

[grumpyoldb]

I'm sorry, but I think I would have simply told the duty manager that I would take my £100 weekly shop to Asda/Morrisons/Sainsbury/Aldi or wherever in future, and the same goes for the £50 per week that I spend on petrol.

Shopping is about the choice to spend your money where you want to spend it, and that is what the stores take notice of.

 

[Shugster]

If you choose a profession, you choose everything that comes with it whether you like it or not.

If a Zob told me to shoot someone and I said no, would I get away with it? I knew the rules when I joined up.

What if a drug addict wanted his Methodone and the pharmacist didn't like druggies?

He's paid to do a job, not have an opinion.

 

[Tashy_Man]

If I were the mum involved I would get all her mates to go one at a time into the store and ask for the same (assuming the same Locum is present) pill and see what happened....surely there has to come a point when the shop is filled with dis-satisfied customers that either sense would prevail or the old bill would be called and they would all be arrested.....would like to see this in court.

So who says we need immigrant docs, nurses and pharmacists now ?

Crack on.................DT_Xtremez_09:

 

[laboratoryqueen]

So the Pharmacist has relegious beliefs is that a crime now.



So what your saying here is that all Muslims/ Pro lifers are not allowed to be pharmacists?



So its alright to practice discrimination but not to the patients face. That is why all the professional bodies recognise individuals beliefs and your right to not have to work there, if I had to look after someone who was a Kiddie Fiddler I dont know if I could, but i cannot be forced to look after them and i have the backing of the professional bodies. Any form of discrimination either to the patient or you gobbing of in the staffroom is not exactly what I would describe as being a professional, and a personal opinion is very different from a religious belief which ever way you look at it.

Not saying they are not allowed, or they should not be allowed, it is that they are not to impose those beliefs on their patients or those in their care, this is also what is being taught to medical students now.

Personal opinion and belief are taken under the same heading.

The point made about your opinion or belief not interfering with the care given, that the level of care is not affected by your own beliefs or opinions, and yes even the point of how you may react in private, as long as this is not a public show is also taught.

No matter what your own beliefs or opinions may be, no matter what beliefs or options of your patient, the required and correct treatment and care will always be provided.

That is meant to cover any medical professional, no matter what race, colour, religion, nationality, sexuality they may be.

 

[penfold93]

If you choose a profession, you choose everything that comes with it whether you like it or not.

If a Zob told me to shoot someone and I said no, would I get away with it? I knew the rules when I joined up.

What if a drug addict wanted his Methodone and the pharmacist didn't like druggies?

He's paid to do a job, not have an opinion.

What a complete pile of horsesh1t, your either trying to get a bite or are a retard.

As to the Zob asking you to shot someone Thats probably the most unrelated example you could come up with, if anyone came up to you when you were on guard and asked you to shoot someone at random of course you can say no, its your duty to and if you did then when you are in court charged with manslaughter, the defence 'well he told me to' aint going to wash is it.

Sorry mate you're way off the mark here it is nothing to do with opinion it was down to a belief and as I have said in a previous post does it mean people are therefore excluded from jobs.

A patient has the choice of who treats them whether they want a chaperone or female/ male carer why shouldnt that extend to the staff who dont want to look after a rapist.

 

[Sniffer]

So its alright to practice discrimination but not to the patients face. That is why all the professional bodies recognise individuals beliefs and your right to not have to work there, if I had to look after someone who was a Kiddie Fiddler I dont know if I could, but i cannot be forced to look after them and i have the backing of the professional bodies. Any form of discrimination either to the patient or you gobbing of in the staffroom is not exactly what I would describe as being a professional, and a personal opinion is very different from a religious belief which ever way you look at it.

Play fair and honest Pen, How many times have you had a winge about a patient in the staff room. You know it happens. Its human nature and most of the time its how medical professionals keep themselves sane.

An another note I know its a gash course but TMW Ops, do they not throw in a scenario where a POW ends up in the drash with a member of our own forces and we are expected to treat as medical experts by assessing their injuries and treating accordingly, despite what our feelings are towards the POW? We are expected to be professional, keep our gob shut and do our job, without letting personal feelings into it.

 

[Shugster]

What a complete pile of horsesh1t, your either trying to get a bite or are a retard.

As to the Zob asking you to shot someone Thats probably the most unrelated example you could come up with, if anyone came up to you when you were on guard and asked you to shoot someone at random of course you can say no, its your duty to and if you did then when you are in court charged with manslaughter, the defence 'well he told me to' aint going to wash is it.

Sorry mate you're way off the mark here it is nothing to do with opinion it was down to a belief and as I have said in a previous post does it mean people are therefore excluded from jobs.

A patient has the choice of who treats them whether they want a chaperone or female/ male carer why shouldnt that extend to the staff who dont want to look after a rapist.

OK then. If you really want to step up to the mark...

On what grounds would you refuse to help someone?

Edit: And the "Erks" sent over the top in WW1 to certain death, were they allowed to say, "What a b0ll0x idea, we will all surely die". Those who refused were shot.

Edit 2: No, a belief should not exclude you from a job, but it should also not prevent you from carrying out your job. Otherwise you cannot do the job that you are paid to do. You are not a Doctor PEN you are a Medic. You do not have the authority to choose who you refuse to help or not.

 

[Sniffer]

Shugster,

You have the right to disobey an illegal order. There are some unstable Zobs out there and I would not shoot someone just because someone with a barcode on their shoulder told me to. I would suggest if you find yourself in this situation that you so the same otherwise you will be acessing the goat from your cell.

 

[Talk Wrench]

[=penfold93;292151]What a complete pile of horsesh1t, your either trying to get a bite or are a retard.

As to the Zob asking you to shot someone Thats probably the most unrelated example you could come up with, if anyone came up to you when you were on guard and asked you to shoot someone at random of course you can say no, its your duty to and if you did then when you are in court charged with manslaughter, the defence 'well he told me to' aint going to wash is it.

Sorry mate you're way off the mark here it is nothing to do with opinion it was down to a belief and as I have said in a previous post does it mean people are therefore excluded from jobs.

A patient has the choice of who treats them whether they want a chaperone or female/ male carer why shouldnt that extend to the staff who dont want to look after a rapist.

What the fcuk are you on? You are contradicting your own arguments.

As for the comment about "A patient has the choice of who treats them" What fcuking planet is that on then cos it certainly isn't planet NHS in Galaxy GB.

TW

 

[Shugster]

Shugster,

You have the right to disobey an illegal order. There are some unstable Zobs out there and I would not shoot someone just because someone with a barcode on their shoulder told me to. I would suggest if you find yourself in this situation that you so the same otherwise you will be acessing the goat from your cell.

Well I won't be popping anyone now as I'm a civvy.

But, he is paid to do a job. It's no better than asking a Black person to give up their seat because you think you're better than they are.

Isn't it?

 

[Sniffer]

Edit: And the "Erks" sent over the top in WW1 to certain death, were they allowed to say, "What a b0ll0x idea, we will all surely die". Those who refused were shot.

The world has changed a lot since WW1. FFS women didnt even have the vote at that point in time.

To use that as an example of people not having the right to an opinion is a bit poor. It was 94 years ago.

I think that the Pharmacist was very much in the wrong and the RPS should not back his decision. FFS where will it end. A vegan pharmacist can refuse to prescribe medication containing animal products. (daft example I know but I wanted one that did not include religion or race, but Im sure you get my drift).

 

[Sniffer]

Well I won't be popping anyone now as I'm a civvy.

Never say never DT_Xtremez_15: