4 Month OOA = No R&R!

[M&M]

Here's one to get your teeth in to!

I heard a whisper that all personnel who serve on a 4 month OOA det will not receive R&R! Surely this can not be right…they’re ‘avin’ a giraffe!?!? Right?!?

I know that we currently get around the old rule by squeezing in that extra day so we actually complete a det of over 4 months so we qualify for R&R.

Surely they will have to re-write the rules and the other two services will also have to agree to this change first. The Army probably would agree as they normally do a 6 month tour anyway; not too sure about the RN though.

The new rule would have to read something like this:

Over 5 months (150 days) but less than 7 months (210 days) – one period of R&R.

Or would they go as far as saying Over 6 months (180 days)!?!?.

I am really interested to hear what your thoughts and views are on this issue?

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[FOMz]

You on your first det by any chance?

FFS man, get a grip and man up a bit.

 

[M&M]

You on your first det by any chance?

FFS man, get a grip and man up a bit.

LMAO...I wish...on level 5 LSA
you've got tokidding

 

[FOMz]

And?

You've trawled up some very old subjects over the last few days.....

 

[M&M]

And?

You've trawled up some very old subjects over the last few days.....

So? Possible new rule though...you don't have to contribute your thoughts if you don't want to go over old ground.
DT_Xtremez_31:

 

[ninjarabbi]

Personally out of loads of dets I've never taken R and R. Not because I'm a hardened warrior but it's too much of a pain in the arse trying to get on a flight back to the Uk and then the hassle of trying to get back especially with A/C availability being what it is these days. I think the guys doing 6 months at the sharp end should certainly have some time out of it but if you're only doing a 4 monther at Kandahar behind the wire where's the problem?

 

[Sniffer]

I know the rules are set out in black and white but there does seem to be some flexibility. My tour was originally 3 months and 3 weeks however it was being banded about that I was being extended as I was being replaced by a pongo, but nobody knew who.::/:

My OC (Army) then made the executive decision that I would be doing 4 months and therefore told me I should get my R & R flights booked. (Nice) He looked at the dates and as I would be having an R & R flight during the RIP I would be going via a number of places eventually arriving home 2 days after I left. So he also granted me 10 days (Very Very Nice).

So there does at present seem to be flexibility, either that or I was very lucky. I suspect the latter to be honest.

 

[RAF Bird]

Hard one this.... when I was a singly I wouldn't have been bothered if I wasn't coming home on R&R for a four month det but now I'm married with a little one it's nice to come home to see him, however in the interests of my son I think it was actually worse for him, for me to come home for a week then go off again. Both times I left him was in the middle of the night so he got up in the morning and I was gone. The aftermath of that was that when I did finally come home at the end of my OOA he would get very upset at bed time thinking that I was going to up-sticks and leave him again. In his interests I think I would have been better off for him if I'd of just gone away done my tour then returned for good.

It must be so hard for the guy's on FU's leaving behind young children regularly. The poor little kids mustn't know if they're coming or going.

 

[K9 FORNICATOR]

Nail It Onto Your POL Entitlement!

Nail It Onto Your POL Entitlement!

Personally out of loads of dets I've never taken R and R. Not because I'm a hardened warrior but it's too much of a pain in the arse trying to get on a flight back to the Uk and then the hassle of trying to get back especially with A/C availability being what it is these days. I think the guys doing 6 months at the sharp end should certainly have some time out of it but if you're only doing a 4 monther at Kandahar behind the wire where's the problem?

Agree totally with the above sentiments. From a personal perspective it is alot less hassle negotiating with your parent unit to tag your R & R entitlement onto your POL than have to endure the possibility of wasting a large percentage of it travelling back and forth or the threat of being bounced off a flight!

 

[FOMz]

If they change the rules for us, they'll change it for everybody and I know that won't wash with the Army.

So whats M&M's next 'rumour' going to be?

No ammuntion issued to people with rifles
RAF only to get issued 9mm Pistols
RAF to wear blues at Al Udied.......

 

[mad_collie]

If they change the rules for us, they'll change it for everybody and I know that won't wash with the Army.

So whats M&M's next 'rumour' going to be?

No ammuntion issued to people with rifles
RAF only to get issued 9mm Pistols
RAF to wear blues at Al Udied.......

They will change the rules in the Falklands to reflect what happens in the ME, and fly you back for a weeks' R&R.

 

[Realist78]

If they change the rules for us, they'll change it for everybody and I know that won't wash with the Army.

So whats M&M's next 'rumour' going to be?

No ammuntion issued to people with rifles
RAF only to get issued 9mm Pistols
RAF to wear blues at Al Udied.......

I personally already do, but at night, because a moment out of uniform...DT_Xtremez_19:

 

[High Pay Peanut]

If they change the rules for us, they'll change it for everybody and I know that won't wash with the Army.

So whats M&M's next 'rumour' going to be?

No ammuntion issued to people with rifles
RAF only to get issued 9mm Pistols
RAF to wear blues at Al Udied.......

we do better than that at Cosford, we dont even give our guards rifles. Dont worry, they do get a radio.

 

[M&M]

So whats M&M's next 'rumour' going to be?

Well, this is The Totally Unofficial Royal Air Force 'Rumour' Network! I'll make something up!
DT_Xtremez_15:

 

[True Blue Jack]

Well, this is The Totally Unofficial Royal Air Force 'Rumour' Network! I'll make something up!
DT_Xtremez_15:

Sorry mate, but you have so far started 2 threads. The first one began "There is currently talk . . . " and this one which begins "I heard a whisper . . . ". You haven't even done us the common courtesy of introducing yourself and you wonder why people are cynical.

 

[M&M]

You haven't even done us the common courtesy of introducing yourself and you wonder why people are cynical.

I must have missed the introductions round. Let's just say...I'm in a position to hear of the issues that I bring to this forum. Not all of them will happen, probably not exactly as discussed, but they are, shall we say, being discussed elsewhere? Yes, that's it...elsewhere.

You may be cynical, that is your prerogative, I will not hold that against you. All I am bringing to this forum is a topic for discussion as I am interested in other people’s views and want to get a better understanding. Thank you for taking part in this discussion.
DT_Xtremez_17:

 

[True Blue Jack]

All I am bringing to this forum is a topic for discussion as I am interested in other people’s views and want to get a better understanding.

That's fine, and you can be as circumspect about who, what and where you are as you like (except every post you make gives somebody a clue!). But please appreciate that there is a world of difference between "I heard a whisper in CINC AIR's outer office" and "I heard a whisper in the NAAFI queue". Without knowing which, or much else about you, we don't know how much credibility to afford your posts.

Now, we had our AFI yesterday and at lunch the AOC made a big deal about "People First". If that is the mantra going around the corridors of power then I would say the possibility of R&R being restricted is fairly remote.

 

[Downsizer]

Now, we had our AFI yesterday and at lunch the AOC made a big deal about "People First". If that is the mantra going around the corridors of power then I would say the possibility of R&R being restricted is fairly remote.

Given the current state of the Air Force and it's people first attitude, I would say it's a cert to happen then.DT_Xtremez_31:

 

[Tacanman]

I did hear rumour that TCW sorry 90SU dets could be extended to 15 weeks as that way they would avoid the need to give R+R.

 

[mad_collie]

I did hear rumour that TCW sorry 90SU dets could be extended to 15 weeks as that way they would avoid the need to give R+R.

???? 90SU dets dont get R&R anyway. Why would extending them to 15 weeks make a difference?