Good reason to bring back public hangings

[laboratoryqueen]

While I have always been in two minds whenever we've discussed bringing back hanging etc, I've just read this account and in that instance, I'd be all for it. I can't believe he'll be eligible for parole in only a few years time.

That poor little girl ::

 

[Ex-Bay]

While I have always been in two minds whenever we've discussed bringing back hanging etc, I've just read this account and in that instance, I'd be all for it. I can't believe he'll be eligible for parole in only a few years time.

That poor little girl ::

The sentence was far too short, but how about castration ?
And paying for the Psychiatrist for that little girl, of course.

 

[chiefy]

It's a shocking story and the guy is a compete scumbag, deserves to spend the rest of his life in a forced labour camp where he could contemplate the repercussions of his crime in between turning rocks to sand....... however such a place doesn't exist and the state will try to "rehabilitate" him before setting his sick mind free again.

It doesn't make hanging or any form of capital punishment right though, in a society and culture that preaches killing is wrong, why should it ever have the power to do it?

 

[laboratoryqueen]

It's a shocking story and the guy is a compete scumbag, deserves to spend the rest of his life in a forced labour camp where he could contemplate the repercussions of his crime in between turning rocks to sand....... however such a place doesn't exist and the state will try to "rehabilitate" him before setting his sick mind free again.

It doesn't make hanging or any form of capital punishment right though, in a society and culture that preaches killing is wrong, why should it ever have the power to do it?

So a six year old girl doesn't scream at christmas for fear of the bad man.
So a six year old girl can get her life again.
So a six year old girl doesn't have to live in fear of him ever coming after her again.

 

[Ex-Bay]

It doesn't make hanging or any form of capital punishment right though, in a society and culture that preaches killing is wrong, why should it ever have the power to do it?

Because it is the State, and thus the will of it's people.

 

[k9138]

It doesn't make hanging or any form of capital punishment right though, in a society and culture that preaches killing is wrong, why should it ever have the power to do it?

If he had done that to my daughter I would murder him! slowly......::/:

 

[Late & Tired]

It doesn't make hanging or any form of capital punishment right though, in a society and culture that preaches killing is wrong, why should it ever have the power to do it?

Totally disagree Chiefy. This country is too lenient and if we are to restore any belief in our true values, scum like this should dangle on a rope. Statistically he might not get better, but this was somebody's child, only slightly older than a baby, why give him the opportunity, - why waste time and money on him. Saudi has it right as far as stats go - chop their heads off and statistically they will not re-offend. It's a democracy and that's my opinion.
Oh, and by the way, you probably wouldn't have to go too far a volunteer to pull the trap-door lever.

Harsh, - perhaps, but it needs saying.

 

[chiefy]

Because it is the State, and thus the will of it's people.

Since when has the state ever been the will of it's people, does your MP ever ask you how you would like him/ her to vote on important issues? Only the naive actually believe democracy exists, it's probably the biggest lie of our time but that is another debate.

Whoever said "if someone did that to their daughter....", I share your sentiment and would also have killed the ******* slowly, then I would have accepted my punishment for being a criminal willingly, would the death sentence be appropriate do you think? The world is not a black and white place it is every shade of grey and two irreversible wrongs certainly don't make a right.

Whoever said Saudi have it right (I suspect you agree with the archaic rule of law in Malaysia etc), be careful what you wish for if ever your child were to be foolish enough to take a bag through customs for a friend.

I don't disagree with punishment, I don't even disagree with killing for the right reasons, I do disagree that a "state" who can't even get the marking of a simple school exam sorted out, should ever be given the authority (by the people if you happen to believe that) to decide which criminals do or don't deserve to live ................ Just my opinion, blithering on about sorting out the state of the country etc isn't going to change that, Victorian Britain had the death sentence and used it all too frequently, have a guess how many people were murdered in London on average every day for a century, the figures are out there google it, then find the figures for rape.

Capital punishment solves nothing, it is an act of public vengeance and nothing more.

 

[laboratoryqueen]

Since when has the state ever been the will of it's people, does your MP ever ask you how you would like him/ her to vote on important issues? Only the naive actually believe democracy exists, it's probably the biggest lie of our time but that is another debate.

Whoever said "if someone did that to their daughter....", I share your sentiment and would also have killed the ******* slowly, then I would have accepted my punishment for being a criminal willingly, would the death sentence be appropriate do you think? The world is not a black and white place it is every shade of grey and two irreversible wrongs certainly don't make a right.

Whoever said Saudi have it right (I suspect you agree with the archaic rule of law in Malaysia etc), be careful what you wish for if ever your child were to be foolish enough to take a bag through customs for a friend.

I don't disagree with punishment, I don't even disagree with killing for the right reasons, I do disagree that a "state" who can't even get the marking of a simple school exam sorted out, should ever be given the authority (by the people if you happen to believe that) to decide which criminals do or don't deserve to live ................ Just my opinion, blithering on about sorting out the state of the country etc isn't going to change that, Victorian Britain had the death sentence and used it all too frequently, have a guess how many people were murdered in London on average every day for a century, the figures are out there google it, then find the figures for rape.

Capital punishment solves nothing, it is an act of public vengeance and nothing more.

When it comes to murder or other high profile crimes I do actually disagree with capital punishment as there are far too many cases of wrong imprisonment and a variety of reasons why people do take anothers life, some which we would deem more acceptable than others.

In this case, and others such as this, where a young child has had hers and her families lives ripped apart by a man who admits to friends he is a walking timebomb where children are concerned, there is no rehabilitation. This girl will live in fear, possibly for the rest of her life, that he will return.

I would hope it not likely that he does get paroled so soon, however how long before he is, how long before he's back out and another child is his victim, another child has to suffer.

It may be deemed public vengeance, but in the case of this man and others like him, it also means there is no chance of them re-offending.

When it comes to crimes against children as young as this, I have no tolerance, I have no thought of give the guy a chance, let him have rights. I only believe the health and the rights of the child is what matters and in this case, it would be helpful if he were dead.

 

[chiefy]

When it comes to murder or other high profile crimes I do actually disagree with capital punishment as there are far too many cases of wrong imprisonment and a variety of reasons why people do take anothers life, some which we would deem more acceptable than others.

In this case, and others such as this, where a young child has had hers and her families lives ripped apart by a man who admits to friends he is a walking timebomb where children are concerned, there is no rehabilitation. This girl will live in fear, possibly for the rest of her life, that he will return.

I would hope it not likely that he does get paroled so soon, however how long before he is, how long before he's back out and another child is his victim, another child has to suffer.

It may be deemed public vengeance, but in the case of this man and others like him, it also means there is no chance of them re-offending.

When it comes to crimes against children as young as this, I have no tolerance, I have no thought of give the guy a chance, let him have rights. I only believe the health and the rights of the child is what matters and in this case, it would be helpful if he were dead.

So, what you would like is a robust and reliable justice system that places the concerns of the victim over the rights of the criminal?

I think we all do and as tax payers to the state I think it's something we should be entitled to expect, unfortunately democracy isn't about satisfying the needs and desires of it's people. If the criminal justice system focused more on punishment and less on rehabilitation, established reasonable sentences for crimes and appropriate terms and conditions of imprisonment people would be far more trusting of it's decisions.

Unfortunataly the penal system is so underfunded and under-resourced that only 82,000 people can ever be imprisoned for their crimes at any onetime. Whilst they are in prison they cannot be treated like criminals because there are so few prison officers and staff supervising them that to lose the cooperation of the criminals is to revert to anarchy. My local prison hold 850 offenders (scumbag criminals to you and me) of a night there are 7 prison officers on duty and a few more Operational Support Grades ( a bit like community policemen but in prison) Did you never wonder why they have televisions and playstations to keep them busy?

You could write to your MP, I did, I got a jolly nice letter back explaining that I was naive to believe that rehabilitation didn't work (it doesn't in more than 80% of cases, the other 20% are made up of people imprisoned on serious first time offences, or people who never intended to kill anyone but did so by drink driving or such, they are not generally the core of criminals who make up the re-offenders) He then went on to tell me about the good work of the Prison Reform Trust, and the European Convention on Human Rights blah blah blah, the reality is that I got a stock letter from the Home Office tying to justify their inablity to manage a system that isn't failing - it has failed, and they are trying to cover that fact up, but hey, that's democracy.

I still don't believe the death sentence is the solution, the solution is that people need to open their eyes to the real issues of this democracy rather than pandering to the Daily Wail propoganda that diverts people attention toward superficial arguments, do the work for yourself and ask "awkward questions of your "democratic" representative or the whitewash will continue.

 

[planesailing]

So, what you would like is a robust and reliable justice system that places the concerns of the victim over the rights of the criminal?

I think we all do and as tax payers to the state I think it's something we should be entitled to expect, unfortunately democracy isn't about satisfying the needs and desires of it's people. If the criminal justice system focused more on punishment and less on rehabilitation, established reasonable sentences for crimes and appropriate terms and conditions of imprisonment people would be far more trusting of it's decisions.

Unfortunataly the penal system is so underfunded and under-resourced that only 82,000 people can ever be imprisoned for their crimes at any onetime. Whilst they are in prison they cannot be treated like criminals because there are so few prison officers and staff supervising them that to lose the cooperation of the criminals is to revert to anarchy. My local prison hold 850 offenders (scumbag criminals to you and me) of a night there are 7 prison officers on duty and a few more Operational Support Grades ( a bit like community policemen but in prison) Did you never wonder why they have televisions and playstations to keep them busy?

You could write to your MP, I did, I got a jolly nice letter back explaining that I was naive to believe that rehabilitation didn't work (it doesn't in more than 80% of cases, the other 20% are made up of people imprisoned on serious first time offences, or people who never intended to kill anyone but did so by drink driving or such, they are not generally the core of criminals who make up the re-offenders) He then went on to tell me about the good work of the Prison Reform Trust, and the European Convention on Human Rights blah blah blah, the reality is that I got a stock letter from the Home Office tying to justify their inablity to manage a system that isn't failing - it has failed, and they are trying to cover that fact up, but hey, that's democracy.

I still don't believe the death sentence is the solution, the solution is that people need to open their eyes to the real issues of this democracy rather than pandering to the Daily Wail propoganda that diverts people attention toward superficial arguments, do the work for yourself and ask "awkward questions of your "democratic" representative or the whitewash will continue.

On night duty after 20.00 all prisoners are confined to their cells.
Each prison wing normally has two staff on duty through the night, currently one trained officer and a prison support grade, these staff regularly check that conditions are safe, this is overseen by a Principal officer management grade, who regularly checks that procedures re: suicide watches are checked.
Their job is to react to emergencies and to possibilities of self harm.
Tv is allowed subject to prisoners earned priveleges.

 

[gemarriott]

On night duty after 20.00 all prisoners are confined to their cells.
Each prison wing normally has two staff on duty through the night, currently one trained officer and a prison support grade, these staff regularly check that conditions are safe, this is overseen by a Principal officer management grade, who regularly checks that procedures re: suicide watches are checked.
Their job is to react to emergencies and to possibilities of self harm.
Tv is allowed subject to prisoners earned priveleges.

fcuking lap of luxury, it is worth getting locked up, 3 squares a day and TV thrown in.

 

[Killer Queen]

Personally castration without anaesthetic and no treatment if he happens to get an infection or the death penalty save the taxpayers a few pounds for a more worthy cause.

 

[chiefy]

On night duty after 20.00 all prisoners are confined to their cells.
Each prison wing normally has two staff on duty through the night, currently one trained officer and a prison support grade, these staff regularly check that conditions are safe, this is overseen by a Principal officer management grade, who regularly checks that procedures re: suicide watches are checked.
Their job is to react to emergencies and to possibilities of self harm.
Tv is allowed subject to prisoners earned priveleges.

Believe me I have a fair idea of what goes on in a prison, day and night. The letter I wrote to my MP was on behalf of a prison officer who couldn't write it, or at least couldn't sign it. The issue of supervisory levels is the key, if you work in the prison service you should well know that entertainment, Christmas dinner, sunday dinner etc etc are all there to placate the criminal population because if the sh!t hit the fan there are not enough staff to control them, regionalised quick reaction units in the event something does go down are merely officers from other prisons. Drugs, mobile phones, cash etc are all getting into prisons inside tennis balls and plastic bags thrown over the fence and there simply aren't enough staff to find anywhere near all of them. If you didn't now that then you don't work for the prison service.

I have nothing but respect and support for prison staff, they are doing a bloody good job in very difficult circumstances. Just like the Armed Forces though they are being deprived of public funds whilst the next "perceived" vote winner, public sob story or political self publicisation exercise is overwhelmed.

Bloody hell I must sound like a right anarchist, I'm not but I am sick to death of seeing public money wasted on private causes whilst our public services (inevitably the less visible one's) are starved.

 

[laboratoryqueen]

There was guy in germany, can't remember his name, but all the kids called him Uncle, as he looked like a harmless little man, bald head and really thick lens glasses. He was locked up for molesting a child and whilst in volunteered for castration to show his hopes for re-habilitation. After his release he lived in an apartment block, and one day called in the janitor as his toilet was blocked. They pulled out several pieces of childrens bodies, many with bite marks. He'd been disposing of the bodies of his victims down the toilet, castration in his case didn't work. It was a few decades ago.

I just don't think re-habilitation or even a life prison sentence is enough of a punishment for paedophiles and child molesters, in their cases, especially where it is a re-offence or where they have been caught in the act and with no defence whatsoever, that the only punishment suitable for them is death.

 

[stingray888]

Since when has the state ever been the will of it's people, does your MP ever ask you how you would like him/ her to vote on important issues? Only the naive actually believe democracy exists, it's probably the biggest lie of our time but that is another debate.

Whoever said "if someone did that to their daughter....", I share your sentiment and would also have killed the ******* slowly, then I would have accepted my punishment for being a criminal willingly, would the death sentence be appropriate do you think? The world is not a black and white place it is every shade of grey and two irreversible wrongs certainly don't make a right.

Whoever said Saudi have it right (I suspect you agree with the archaic rule of law in Malaysia etc), be careful what you wish for if ever your child were to be foolish enough to take a bag through customs for a friend.

I don't disagree with punishment, I don't even disagree with killing for the right reasons, I do disagree that a "state" who can't even get the marking of a simple school exam sorted out, should ever be given the authority (by the people if you happen to believe that) to decide which criminals do or don't deserve to live ................ Just my opinion, blithering on about sorting out the state of the country etc isn't going to change that, Victorian Britain had the death sentence and used it all too frequently, have a guess how many people were murdered in London on average every day for a century, the figures are out there google it, then find the figures for rape.

Capital punishment solves nothing, it is an act of public vengeance and nothing more.

Capital punishment solves everything. It ensures that the criminal never commits the crime again, it saves the lives of his next victims, it ensures that we as taxpayers don't have to pay for the criminals upkeep.
You say that you don't disagree with killing for the right reason and you would be prepared to go to prison for it. If we had capital punishment you wouldn't need to worry, the"State" ie "us" would do it for you.

 

[chiefy]

You say that you don't disagree with killing for the right reason and you would be prepared to go to prison for it. If we had capital punishment you wouldn't need to worry, the"State" ie "us" would do it for you.

Oh but I would worry, it's a shallow argument, in fact it's not even an argument merely a statement. I happen to treasure life deeply, I have no religious beliefs, don't belief in life after death or reincarnation..... that leaves the hard to face and sweaty fact that in all of eternity you live once, and once only. Were the state to kill someone, just one person who was innocent, then they have committed the single worse crime possible, they have removed a valid life, never to exist again for no good reason and will remain completely and utterly unaccountable. The state would be guilty of murder, we as a "democracy"would all be guilty of murder, what should we do then..... say sorry?

It's happened before and it will happen again given the opportunity, the mere thought is hypocrisy

 

[Ex-Bay]

Since when has the state ever been the will of it's people, does your MP ever ask you how you would like him/ her to vote on important issues? Only the naive actually believe democracy exists, it's probably the biggest lie of our time but that is another debate.

Whoever said "if someone did that to their daughter....", I share your sentiment and would also have killed the ******* slowly, then I would have accepted my punishment for being a criminal willingly, would the death sentence be appropriate do you think? The world is not a black and white place it is every shade of grey and two irreversible wrongs certainly don't make a right.

Whoever said Saudi have it right (I suspect you agree with the archaic rule of law in Malaysia etc), be careful what you wish for if ever your child were to be foolish enough to take a bag through customs for a friend.

I don't disagree with punishment, I don't even disagree with killing for the right reasons, I do disagree that a "state" who can't even get the marking of a simple school exam sorted out, should ever be given the authority (by the people if you happen to believe that) to decide which criminals do or don't deserve to live ...............

Capital punishment solves nothing, it is an act of public vengeance and nothing more.

If a state (and I am not including the EU and similar alliances), decided, for one reason or another, that the Will of the people (voters) indicated that capital punishment should be re-instated, it would be by the will of the people. Oh, don't get me wrong, the chances of it happening are vanishingly slim, but it would be by the people.

The fact that our "state" is 'in a state' and completely confused is, for the purposes of this discussion, meaningless. We know that the UK is now only a token democracy, but the fact is that, if there was the will, it COULD change at the ballot box. I realise that the reality is not the same as the theory, mind.

I did get an e-mail from my MP asking my opinion about something, as it happens, and I replied (I was quite chuffed).

I doubt we will ever see a return to capital punishment, for a variety of reasons, but I reckon a system to remove the doubts of innocence could be dreamed up (by excluding certain types of evidence, etc..). By killers like the Yorkshire Ripper, The Cannock Chase murders and so on, being beyond any doubt, could be appropriate for the drop.

Capital Punishment is a lot more that the state's revenge. It draws a line over which the criminal should not step, lest he put his own life at risk after conviction. I'm not sure about it being in public, though.

Paedophiles should be locked up in a secure hospital for LIFE. Sheriff Joe has a very good point. . . . . .


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[CodeMonkey]

I have two conflicting views on capital punishment:

One: On one hand capital punishment kind of follows the "eye for an eye" principle, the taking of the killers life to repay for the taking of the innocents life.

Two: No matter how many life's taken i can never make up for the loss of the original.

The problem i see with point one is that society believes that however remote, it is possible to rehabilitate a criminal. Now with paedophiles, serial killers etc this may not ever be true, but always be true. This may be true with minor criminals that have turned to crime as the result of a drug habit etc. I feel that these people have just been pushed into the pattern of behaviour but are fixable( option one doesn't allow for this).

Option two however overrides the desire for a natural justice( x was killed by Y so kill Y). The criminals in this case( un-fixable ) will be detained by the limits that the statute book details(not long enough in reality) and will be released often prematurely and un-fixed and therefore counter-productive to society.

Either way capital punishment will not come back in the near future due to a combination of namby-pamby liberals and people that think things through.

 

[Scaley brat]

Break them on a wheel, peel their skin off, dip them in salt then kill them. they are the lowest of predators, preying on weak and helpless children.
They deserve NO mercy, no shred of human compassion, only death in as much abject misery as can be brought to bear.