Jaguar flights?????

[Dave-exfairy]

Does anyone know if there are any plans afoot for a rich sod to put a Jag back where she belongs, in the wide blue yonder?

 

[Ex-Bay]

Does anyone know if there are any plans afoot for a rich sod to put a Jag back where she belongs, in the wide blue yonder?

Doubt it; MoD don't like war birds in private hands. Ray Hannah (of blessed memory) had a 'Toom and had to tell them when he wanted to take it out.

:S

 

[propersplitbrainme]

Doubt it; MoD don't like war birds in private hands. Ray Hannah (of blessed memory) had a 'Toom and had to tell them when he wanted to take it out.

:S

Is it the MOD, or the CAA who put up so many obstacles to this happening.

Most ex-military jets are termed 'complex aircraft' and under CAA regs require a whole raft of support from a recognised Design Authority before they will even contemplate letting them back into the air on civvy plates.
The CAA are so arsey about these things I've heard them called the Campaign Against Aviation DT_Xtremez_32:

 

[MontyPlumbs]

Doubt it; MoD don't like war birds in private hands. Ray Hannah (of blessed memory) had a 'Toom and had to tell them when he wanted to take it out.

:S

Plenty of Jags were being sold off, even whilst the remaining few were in service. I personally saw a T4 with engines for sale for £7,500! DT_Xtremez_17:

The fact the Indians and Omanis still fly the Jag will mean a lot of spares leave these shores 'm sure, but there are plenty knocking about at various Museums that are airworthy if a full restoration was undertaken.

The Phantom story is different - due to the fact they were supplied by the United States.

 

[MontyPlumbs]

Is it the MOD, or the CAA who put up so many obstacles to this happening.

Most ex-military jets are termed 'complex aircraft' and under CAA regs require a whole raft of support from a recognised Design Authority before they will even contemplate letting them back into the air on civvy plates.
The CAA are so arsey about these things I've heard them called the Campaign Against Aviation DT_Xtremez_32:

Yes, this is a bone of contention for anyone who has worked on Lightnings in particular, hence why the AALO (Ango-American Lighting Organisation) has such a following.

 

[I Look Like Kevin Costner]

As stated beforehand in other posts, the Jag is a complex airframe and as such requires the agreement of a company to be the design authority. The airframes all need deep maintenance and life extensions to increase what life they have left for the least used examples (That are used at Cosford anyway). BAE would not be interested and the Jaguars flight safety record is bad, with 62 out of 208 British airframes becoming smoking holes in the ground. The aircraft has some nasty handling vices that have been known to catch out the most experinced pilots if unaware. The CAA would never contemplate it.DT_Xtremez_21:

Off Topic Got to leave now, getting the hell out of Basrah!Off Topic

 

[gemarriott]

Thetomb story wasalso different as they were part of the START treaty and had to be de-commisioned. Pity that "Mike" at Duxford will never fly again. Even bigger pity the Hannas aren't around to fly it.

 

[grumpyoldb]

The US seem to be quite fortunate in that they have enough wealthy people who are interested in preserving, and flying cold war jets.
They can even muster a lot of rusky hardware these days.

 

[Shugster]

The US seem to be quite fortunate in that they have enough wealthy people who are interested in preserving, and flying cold war jets.
They can even muster a lot of rusky hardware these days.

That's true, the yanks don't appear to be too interested in safety records.

I saw a chap on TV who flies an F104 Starfighter, and that has to have one of the worst safety records ever.DT_Xtremez_42:

 

[Tin basher]

Getting one back in the air is a nice dream but as has been said the CAA will make it almost impossible. Plenty of MK3 Jet Provosts where sold off and despite their relative simplicity very few ever flew again in civvy guise. Similar story with the Gnats, there was more money to be made getting them prepped and ready and shipping them to the states than trying to get them past the CAA checks required. From memory the ejection seats where a particular headache for the Gnat as they where Follands own design and not the more normal Martin Baker product. The CAA wanted 100 carts made and a test firing of a certain number before even considering the idea this and other stumbling blocks made the whole project cost prohibative in UK. Apart from the Vulcan it's hard to think of another ex-military jet in regular civvy use, hunters perhaps.

 

[propersplitbrainme]

Apart from the Vulcan it's hard to think of another ex-military jet in regular civvy use, hunters perhaps.

Theres a few Meteors, a Sea Vixen, a Gnat or two and some JPs as you've said and possibly a Vampire.

In Sarth Ifrica they've got Lightnings and Buccaneers.

 

[Ex-Bay]

There is an organisation which fly Hunters somewhere in the southern counties, but I think they have special Rules.

Anyone see that interesting tale about the non-ejection seat in the JP a year or two ago?

DT_Xtremez_42:

 

[MontyPlumbs]

There is an organisation which fly Hunters somewhere in the southern counties, but I think they have special Rules.

Anyone see that interesting tale about the non-ejection seat in the JP a year or two ago?

DT_Xtremez_42:

You are probably talking about the guy that forgot to remove the topwheel from the ejection gun and found himself sliding up and down the rail as he went inverted? Bloody lucky to be alive that bloke! I think it may have been from North Weald, Mainjafad will probably know the specifics!

 

[Ex-Bay]

You are probably talking about the guy that forgot to remove the topwheel from the ejection gun and found himself sliding up and down the rail as he went inverted? Bloody lucky to be alive that bloke! I think it may have been from North Weald, Mainjafad will probably know the specifics!

I believe that the pilot was taking his brother out for a spin and there WAS a problem with the Seat.

 

[MontyPlumbs]

I believe that the pilot was taking his brother out for a spin and there WAS a problem with the Seat.

Are you talking about the loss of oxygen? The CAA report

This one boiled down to either poor maintenance or the pilot stuffing items in and around the cockpit!

 

[MAINJAFAD]

You are probably talking about the guy that forgot to remove the topwheel from the ejection gun and found himself sliding up and down the rail as he went inverted? Bloody lucky to be alive that bloke! I think it may have been from North Weald, Mainjafad will probably know the specifics!

Was in 1994 and was a JP from North Weald. Seat was cartridge inert, but manual separation system was still working. I do recall reading an Article about a Company who as been licensed to service MB and other peoples bang seats for ex-military jets. Don't know if they do the Folland seats for the Gant.

 

[MAINJAFAD]

Theres a few Meteors, a Sea Vixen, a Gnat or two and some JPs as you've said and possibly a Vampire.

In Sarth Ifrica they've got Lightnings and Buccaneers.

Sea Vixen is the Fastest Civil jet in the UK. Was painted up as a can of Red Bull, until they pulled the sponsorship deal, hasn't done an airshow since then. Gants, JP (ex-RAF), Venoms and Vampires (Ex Swiss) and a Meteor Night fighter (not seen a single seater), plus a number of Hunters, both ex-RAF and Swiss. CAA have said that the Bucc can have a permit to Fly, and Hawker Hunter Aviation are working on getting a Bucc airworthy, primary a Target Facilities aircraft (along with some Hunters and a SU-22 Fitter) at Scampton. I do believe that some of the Hunters are actually back on the military register, to allow them to do contract work for the MoD, most likely the same for the SU-22.

 

[Harry B'Stard]

Design Authorities

Design Authorities

Remember reading somewhere about the fight to get the vulcan airborne again. They had to contact every manufacturer that had a hand in building the Vulcan, down to the tiniest of pieces.

Added to this, they also found many of the companies were no longer in business, or had been bought by other companies. For each company they had to get agreement that they would be willing to act as Design Authority for the components they had built over 30 years ago!:raf:

Having seen the list of companies involved in building the Jaguar, it's not impossible, just unlikely. On the whole it was built by British Waste o space, but you need to find the manufacturers that made the bulbs, fuses, the rivets, the fasteners, pipes and all the other C stores bits and get them to agree to cover it!

Hope this helps...

HTB