MoD staff to share £41m in bonuses months after critical report

[Pan Warrior]

Civil servants at the Ministry of Defence are to share more than £41.3m in "appraisal-related annual bonus payments" less than four months after they were criticised by a Commons watchdog committee for allowing procurement costs to overrun by £2.6bn.

A group of 186 senior staff are to receive an average of more than £7000 each on top of their salaries. By contrast, an infantry private fighting on Afghanistan's front line is paid just £15,600 a year.

In addition, 13 special "fixed term appointees" to the MoD are in line to pocket £22,000 apiece from the public purse and another four are still negotiating their bonus terms. A further 52,000 junior civil servants are to receive an average of £761 a head.


Im sure these REMF'S deserve it....!!!

 

[Ex-Bay]

Civil servants at the Ministry of Defence are to share more than £41.3m in "appraisal-related annual bonus payments" less than four months after they were criticised by a Commons watchdog committee for allowing procurement costs to overrun by £2.6bn.

A group of 186 senior staff are to receive an average of more than £7000 each on top of their salaries. By contrast, an infantry private fighting on Afghanistan's front line is paid just £15,600 a year.

In addition, 13 special "fixed term appointees" to the MoD are in line to pocket £22,000 apiece from the public purse and another four are still negotiating their bonus terms. A further 52,000 junior civil servants are to receive an average of £761 a head.


Im sure these REMF'S deserve it....!!!

So that's where the mythical bonuses all went to. Loads of marmite, then?

 

[True Blue Jack]

Civil Servants have been paid performance related bonuses for years; this is not news. I can't speak for the whole system but both the 'E' grades in my office got bonuses of about £700 last year and they worked damned hard for them. Had the system allowed they should have received more.

PW, you really must stop reading that poor excuse for a newspaper. It's not doing your blood pressure any good! DT_Xtremez_17:

 

[pueblos]

Civil Servants have been paid performance related bonuses for years; this is not news. I can't speak for the whole system but both the 'E' grades in my office got bonuses of about £700 last year and they worked damned hard for them. Had the system allowed they should have received more.:

We know civil servants have been paid performance related bonuses… Does it make it right is the question??

They work for the SAME MOD as us guys in uniform… they difference being, we are the ones who do the REAL hard work… not sat in comfortable offices. But under fire on the front, or fixing aircraft at bases that get hit with growing regularity…
So where are the Herc techie’s bonuses, for keeping jet flying in a combat zone??
Or a private soldiers bonus for pulling a wounded mate out of harms way??
Or a Harrier pilot’s bonus for dropping 10 out of 10 bombs onto the enemy and not scoring a ‘’blue-on-blue’’…

Their bonus comes out the same MOD budget that our weapons/uniforms/IPE ect come out of… How many sets of improved body armour or MRAP vehicles could be purchased from that £41m??
How much work could be done on sh1te accommodation to improve the moral of troops and family at home??

It’s about time this practise finished, lets put the money where it is needed, not in a few peoples pockets but into the armed forces…

£41m could go a long way to improve the moral of people on the front...DT_Xtremez_25:

IMHO...

 

[True Blue Jack]

Is it right for civil servants to get perfomance bonuses when we don't? Probably not.

Is it right that a civil servant is employed to do a job previously done by a Cpl for a fraction of the cost? By the same argument, probably not. Yes, I know most of them don't do OOAs but the difference in salary is significantly greater than is accounted for by the X-factor. Truth be told I would very much like to see the process that civilianised so many posts across the trade spectrum since the mid-90s reversed. It's not going to happen. For a start, it would cost a hell of a lot more than £41M.

Since we are stuck working alongside civvies we need to get the most out of them. Remember they work to different rules than we do and we cannot order them to stay at work until the job is done (not easily anyway). Dangling the carrot of a £700 bonus taking their salary to - oh, I don't know, somewhere in the region of £15700 for the year is an effective way of doing that.

 

[3wheeledtechie]

Some choose to sign up, others choose to try to make their fortune in civvy street. Its my guess that if you really want to make money you don't set out on the road of working for the state. However if they've got paid a bonus so what? I'm sure when you compare it to bonuses paid by other central London institutions its a pittance. Should the armed forces get paid more for what we do? Yes. Should civil servants be compared to military personnel? No, the roles are different. Do we want to retain the best of them to give us the best support for guys on ops? Yes, and if its by means of a bonus I've no problem with that.

However I would hope the budget for service housing is separate.

 

[CIS Tech]

The argument isn't about whether they should get bonuses when we don't.

The argument is whether they should get bonuses when they failed to meet the targets, i.e. Ran £2.6billion over budget.

 

[True Blue Jack]

The argument is whether they should get bonuses when they failed to meet the targets, i.e. Ran £2.6billion over budget.

OK, I see where you are coming from. Is the overspend the responsibility of the 52000 junior civil servants getting an average £761 each (making up £39.5M of the £41.3M spent on bonuses)?

I'm sorry but The Herald is a *cough* newspaper whose stories can nearly always be taken apart very quickly.

 

[CIS Tech]

If my father-in-law's company makes profits over 19%, all of his staff get bonuses based on anything over that figure.

If it does not, none of the staff get bonuses. Everyone has his / her part to play.

 

[8:15fromOdium]

We should have performance related pay as well!

We should have performance related pay as well!

Congratulations to the Civil Servants for getting a bonus for doing their job. I have no complaints about that, I only believe that we should get performance related pay (PRP) as well.

What should it be related against? Simple, our job is to stop this country being invaded. This task has been accomplished successfully by British service personnel for the last thousand years. Therefore it is only fair that our PRP (lets say 1% per annum over and above the pay settlement) should be back dated that far.

This will put most of us on the pay of Premier League footballers. Some of you will think that it is rediculous that we, British service personnel, are being compared to British footballers ... I concede that you may have a point ... because, lets face it, we don't make a habit of losing in Europe (or anywhere else for that matter).

 

[DeeBee]

Pueblos, just to set the record straight ..... Not all Civil Servants spend their days sitting in comfortable offices. Also, having been in my current post, as a Flight Commander, in the equivalent grade and status of Fl Lt, it has taken the 11 years of my tenure, for my salary to reach that which I was paid as a Sgt on leaving the Royal Air Force in 1993.

 

[MontyPlumbs]

Pueblos, just to set the record straight ..... Not all Civil Servants spend their days sitting in comfortable offices. Also, having been in my current post, as a Flight Commander, in the equivalent grade and status of Fl Lt, it has taken the 11 years of my tenure, for my salary to reach that which I was paid as a Sgt on leaving the Royal Air Force in 1993.

You obviously don't work on any IPT. From what I've heard, 90% of the civvies involved with these "management teams" couldn't manage a p1ss up in a brewery.

 

[True Blue Jack]

You obviously don't work on any IPT. From what I've heard, 90% of the civvies involved with these "management teams" couldn't manage a p1ss up in a brewery.

Are the guys on IPTs civil servants? It's a genuine question, I don't know the answer. On my Sqn we have a handful of civil servants and some analysts and industry types who are most definitely not civil servants.

 

[MontyPlumbs]

Are the guys on IPTs civil servants? It's a genuine question, I don't know the answer. On my Sqn we have a handful of civil servants and some analysts and industry types who are most definitely not civil servants.

I thought half were MOD Civilians, the rest Service. Either way, still bunch of 02 thieves! DT_Xtremez_17:

 

[Mug?]

Bloody civvies

Bloody civvies

What do most of them do?
Why do we need so many?

I have had the misfortune to work with a lot at the "grassroots level" and most of them are wasters.
They turn up and suddenly they are SGT WO OFFICER equivalent!
They go to the mess and haven't any resect for the traditions.
they then phone in sick cos they have had a few beers-or its womens problems( dependant on sex)
Refuse to work late, weekends, cover on call. "NOT IN MY CONTRACT!"
Refuse to lower themselves to tasks such as emptying the bin or wiping round the T-bar.
Never do Keys
Never go out in the rain
And if they need to go somewhere and can't use the section car they start filling an allowance claim in.
They go in a hotel while we have to live in transit on courses.

oh sorry have I gone off topic.?????
Well done on your bonus >>>>>

 

[Soupdragon]

and lets not forget... the tax man and NI will chew a big lump off their bonus ! it happened to me last year and by the time those 2 crooks had finished it bore no resemblance to what i was originally told it was going to be..

 

[Captain Gatso]

I have got no problem personally with Civil servants but I have got an issue with the way we are supposed to interact with them on a day to day basis, knowing what quality of life they expect to that of what we get. In my little part of the Air Force we have civvies that get bonuses. However there bonuses come partly from the efforts of the blue suiters that work with them. We are all suppossed to work as a team, so how can we work as a team when one part gets a perk while the other part don't. I know that we signed on the dotted line to the military, however I guess not many of us imagined that the civvy influence would play so much a part of RAF life as it does today. If our civvy work collegues get a bonus for good hard work over the year I have no problem with that. Though I do have a problem with bonuses for civilian counterparts who work in the same section with blue suiters. It just leaves a nasty taste in my mouth, plus it does not help in the ever dwindling state of the Air Force's morale.::/:

 

[rest have risen above me]

From a statement by some bloke on one of those political shows this morning it would work out cheaper for the MOD to pay the military personnel the bonus.
He pointed out the fact that the MoD has more employees than there are soldiers. Now maybe we would have overspent the same amount but as military types it would have been on stuff we need not plasma tv's ormodern art.

 

[3wheeledtechie]

What should it be related against? Simple, our job is to stop this country being invaded

A slight oversimplification I think, and one that has little relevance since the threat has considerably diminished since the end of the cold war. I would say the role of the armed forces in to act in defence of UK strategic interests and in support of UK foreign policy.

When you say it would be cheaper RHRAM to employ service personnel, are you just talking salary, because the real cost of a service person is the capitation rate.

I do agree about the principle of the efforts of blue suiters contributing directly to the performance that determines the bonus their civilian counterparts earn. Maybe you'll get your bonus in kind, loadsa money spent on Xmas do or new swimming pool / health club complex eh? Or not.

 

[propersplitbrainme]

It may be no consolation but the MOD Civilian bonus scheme is as despised amongst MOD civilians as it appears to be here mainly because it is stupidly divisive.
And blue-suits and civvys working alongside one another on different terms of employment is exactly how things happen in civvy street. You can't blame the lesser paid employee than you for not wanting to do all sh1t jobs that accomaniy the terms of employment of the higher paid ones.