Should conscription be reintroduced - vote

[Blind_beggar]

And that would never happen, the Human Rights card would be played and all of a sudden there would be playstations, DVD players feckin everything.

no, because human rights doesn't cover that. as long as the blocks arn't completely livable, the only ones complaining will be the chav scum national servicemen.

 

[Kernow]

I think it's our responsibility because some of my age group were idiots in the 50's and 60's and didn't bring our children up correctly. These errors have been passed down to this marvelous result! We need to try and correct the errors of our past.
If the parents can't do it - we could. Don't forget, some parents are frightened of their own kids!

OK a bit selfish but, why is it my responsibility?

The armed forces are not there to act as prison/rehabilitation camps. As I see it, the scrotes hadn't paid attention to the warnings from the police etc so why the feck would they pay attention to anyone else whose hands are tied in what they can do with them. IF they don't improve and continue to be a problem what do you do then? Threaten them with collie (no not the mad dog with 50 alter egos), as obviously the threat of going inside probably didn't work when they were in civvie street so why should it work when they are conscripted.

As RTW said it would increase the admin burden, there would be an increase in disciplinary action, increase in AWOLs etc. It is bad enough with some of the chimps that we are letting through the net as it is without bringing more work upon ourselves.

 

[Tashy_Man]

I bet you wore puttees didn't you Tashy?

Actually I did....and still got them somewhere...one thing stores didn't want off me when i got rid of all my kit.

 

[Albert Park]

IF the Government increased the size of our armed forces by a factor of three in order to accomodate conscription, would you be in favour or not. Would it alleviate some of today's street crime?

We've got enough to contend with without having to rehabilitate 'Joe Public'.

Also, have you seen the comments about the dross that's joining up? And they're volunteers!

I despair.

 

[paramole]

if this was to happen then the pvr rate would shoot through the roof, i also do not want to have to try and motivate some one who doesn't want to be here, its bad enough trying to motivate the guys we already have in. the only good thing is that s@it detachments would not come around so often.
however i do think that some type of training should be given, or may be just send the gangs ooa to do our work for us as they are! THAT WOULD REDUCE CRIME

 

[Aaron O'Dickydido]

It would only stand a chance of working if the disciplinary standards of the National Service days (Pre 1963) were reinstated.

And the standards would have to apply to EVERYBODY.

 

[R_Squared]

One positive is that we would be giving them new skills, like how to handle and control weapons properly.
Real life skill that they will use everyday, like the marksmanship principles will certainly improve the survival rate of innocent passers by, when they get back into civvy street.
Personally, I would relish the chance to have an ill-educated thieving little scrote sorting out my JPA problems.

 

[Bluntend]

What if compulsary national service wasn't necessarily military. For example, there could be an opt out for those who weren't prepeared to work alongside the army, air force or navy. This is the case I beleive in other countries where people are employed in education, agriculture, medicine, charitable work overseas etc. Some go into the military for a year to 18 months or so, others go and clean hospitals or assist teachers or perform support roles with the fire and ambulance services.

 

[Vagabond]

What if compulsary national service wasn't necessarily military. For example, there could be an opt out for those who weren't prepeared to work alongside the army, air force or navy. This is the case I beleive in other countries where people are employed in education, agriculture, medicine, charitable work overseas etc. Some go into the military for a year to 18 months or so, others go and clean hospitals or assist teachers or perform support roles with the fire and ambulance services.

Bang on, national service should not be served in the military but the training should be along military lines without the use of bang sticks.

TBH most young lads who are getting into trouble are crying out for a bit of structure and discipline. Don't get it at home don't get it at school ect ect.

Those that do well get decent Q's and go onto decent jobs, those that don't play ball well......fcuk em, lock em up and stop paying benefits.

 

[Parky]

Bang on, national service should not be served in the military but the training should be along military lines without the use of bang sticks.

TBH most young lads who are getting into trouble are crying out for a bit of structure and discipline. Don't get it at home don't get it at school ect ect.

Those that do well get decent Q's and go onto decent jobs, those that don't play ball well......fcuk em, lock em up and stop paying benefits.

This has been the answer i have given when i have been asked about national service in the many discussions i have had about it.

Give all the kids who are being signed on for national service the same money they would earn if currently on the dole, but they have to work for that money in one of the roles already mentioned.

The training to be given in the same sort of way as basic recruits in the forces receive it, living away from thier parents in blocks with more than one person per room.

Basically give them the discipline to carry out whatever job they have been selected for based on thier results on leaving school.

 

[Bluntend]

I read an article in a magazine in the US that was proposing a voluntary national service scheme (civilian and military) whereby those who sign up, get an incentive - for example $5000 towards student loans or their further education paid for. This scheme in turn would be paid for by reducing the amount of benefits available to those who do not sign up for the scheme, dole pay and incapacity benefits etc. Sounds pretty sensible to me.

 

[Albert Park]

Discipline should come from parenting.

If this fails - bang 'em up. If this fails - Corporal Punishment e.g. birch the b@stards. If this fails then there is no hope for these morons. Lock 'em away for good. Contract the Prison Service out to places like Turkey, China, Iran etc - you know places that have abysmal Human Rights records.

DO NOT SUGGEST THAT THE GOVERNMENT IMPOSE THESE LOW-LIFES ON ME, AND MY COLLEAGUES, BECAUSE THAT IS BEYOND THE PALE.

 

[penfold93]

Maybe in years goneby when back of the NAAFI justice could be used but there is so much PC, human rights tree hugging pink and fluffyness going on that they would be more trouble than they are worth.

 

[Bluntend]

Maybe in years goneby when back of the NAAFI justice could be used but there is so much PC, human rights tree hugging pink and fluffyness going on that they would be more trouble than they are worth.

Fair point. With today's society if there was cumpulsory national service which involved the possibility of serving in a war zone, can you imagine the outcry if somebody were killed?

 

[Warwick Hunt]

I don't want some chavvy maggott working for me because the government have made him, and I very much doubt that you'd find anyone in all 3 services who'd be quite willing to have them working for them either.

Maybe 50 years ago, NS was the way forward, but society and the military were very different then. The way the military disciplined it's troops (ie hangar justice) was taken as read and people generally had a lot more respect for authority then.

Nowaday's it isn't so easy. It's hard enough keeping a grip on a lot of the pr!cks we have serving now, let alone knocking the dregs of society into shape. The forces aren't an easy option for easing society's ills. Surely, this is for parents/the police/schools to address? Besides, with the forces seemingly having to justify every penny spent to the taxpayer, I couldn't imagine the taxpayer taking too kindly to a rise in taxes to help cover the cost of having these to$$ers being in the employ of HMG.

 

[PingDit]

OK a bit selfish but, why is it my responsibility?

The armed forces are not there to act as prison/rehabilitation camps. As I see it, the scrotes hadn't paid attention to the warnings from the police etc so why the feck would they pay attention to anyone else whose hands are tied in what they can do with them. IF they don't improve and continue to be a problem what do you do then? Threaten them with collie (no not the mad dog with 50 alter egos), as obviously the threat of going inside probably didn't work when they were in civvie street so why should it work when they are conscripted.

As RTW said it would increase the admin burden, there would be an increase in disciplinary action, increase in AWOLs etc. It is bad enough with some of the chimps that we are letting through the net as it is without bringing more work upon ourselves.

Kernow,

I'm suggesting that we might be able to do something about the problem because no-one else is. Conscription is a term that the public recognise, even if they didn't live during that era. The admin burden would be negligable - don't forget, we would be increasing our numbers drastically in order to accomodate this extra burden.
We could make them all part of something similar to the Pioneer Corps. I'm not for one minute suggesting that the conscripts would be allowed into the general service areas unless they were really keen and perhaps had decided to join the regulars.
This new 'Corps' would have discipline something akin to the French Foreign Legion. Very strict, but they actually manage to make respectful soldiers out of many ex-criminals.
I have one problem with the voting so far, the majority seem to NOT want conscription, but appreciate that it would indeed reduce street crime - interesting!

 

[fergo]

TBH i think Conscription/National Service will never come back. We are living in a different world.
Plus do we really want to arm these feckers and tezch them how to hurt, maim, and kill more efficeintly.
On a more serious note, we simply dont have the resources to train these people. And in their two years how much productive service would we (te armed forces) get out of them? Time taken to train etc

This is a problem for society as a whole and i think it is down to the lack of family values and numerous other social issues.

 

[Kernow]

Kernow,


I have one problem with the voting so far, the majority seem to NOT want conscription, but appreciate that it would indeed reduce street crime - interesting!

Where do you get that from? Out of 43 (so far) how many have said that they believe it will reduce crime?

 

[penfold93]

Where do you get that from? Out of 43 (so far) how many have said that they believe it will reduce crime?

None all those against conscription have not said anything about it reducing crime PD you need an eye testDT_Xtremez_28:

 

[denthemen]

Maybe in years goneby when back of the NAAFI justice could be used but there is so much PC, human rights tree hugging pink and fluffyness going on that they would be more trouble than they are worth.

Thats the line I like - there have been a few "volunteer" youths that thought they knew better and had to be taken behind the hanger and taught a lesson or two. Having NS yobs that would just turn round and tell you to clean the crappers yourself (obviously with no comeback in the pink and fluffy world that has been created) is just one step beyond playing Fireman "when they want a holiday" for me.

Turkish & Thai prisons sound good to me......

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