Membership of professional bodies

[Tashy_Man]

Cheers for that. Not bothered about the AIP as only got months to do but will be applying for this very soon....will find out about SLC.....if you don't ask....

Ta again.

Update for anyone thats interested.......You CANNOT use SLC to fund your LCGI...apparently it was stopped in 2002 as there is negligable effort required to gain the award.

Oh well looks like i'm gonna have to fork out £108 then.......

Crack on..............DT_Xtremez_09:

 

[skevans]

Cant remember who mentioned it, but Nebs management no longer exists. It merged a few years ago with the institute of supervisory management and is now the ILM.

If you are a qualified NCO you can apply for a 'recognition' grade as a member. No courses to do, just prove your worth as a manager with some base level hunting for certificates!

If you have qualified as an NCO in whatever rank since 2003 you are entitled to undertake a substantially subsidised course (that is only a small portion of the full course due to APL of RAF quals) and get a civilian VRQ in management.

Most people find the ILM membership will help a little if applying for a management position, however qualifications and recognition in your own field is far more important.

Happy to advise you over the GPTN, pm me if you want to

 

[Prudhoe]

Incorporated/Chartered Engineer

Incorporated/Chartered Engineer

I see it was touched upon briefly earlier in this thread, but in no real detail, so….does anyone have any experience of the value of registering as an Incorporated or Chartered Engineer (or even Eur Ing) when entering the jobs market?
It seems quite expensive if you’re just handing over cash for a bunch of post nominals.

 

[rhino]

Chartered status as an engineer

Chartered status as an engineer

This could add between £10 and £20k a year to your salary expectations and place you on a higher and different job level to most applicants...if you wish it to. Incorporated isnt as valuable.

I see it was touched upon briefly earlier in this thread, but in no real detail, so….does anyone have any experience of the value of registering as an Incorporated or Chartered Engineer (or even Eur Ing) when entering the jobs market?
It seems quite expensive if you’re just handing over cash for a bunch of post nominals.

 

[TrickyTree]

There are three levels of registration with EC(UK): Chartered Engineer, Incorporated Engineer and Engineering Technician. The exemplifying qualifications for admission are Masters degree (CEng), Bachelors degree (IEng) and BTEC National (Eng Tech). However there are other routes in if you have not got these qualifications, mostly based on interview and submission of a technical report.

You can ONLY attain EC(UK) registration through an engineering institution. I obtained IEng through the Royal Aeronautical Society of which I'm an Associate Member - I'm also a Member of the Institution of Engineering and Technology and an Associate Member of the Institute of Physics.

EC(UK) registration is directly mapped to the C&G Senior Awards Scheme, so a CEng can apply for MCGI, IEng for GCGI and Eng Tech for LCGI. I hold an LCGI in Aeronautical Engineering, a GCGI in Engineering and the RAFfy Learning Forces LCGI in Leadership and Management.

My full post nominals (I rarely use them all, even on a CV - I have 4 CV's for different competencies) are horrendously long!

Membership of an engineering institution is like a lot of things in life - you'll get out what you put in. Be active - join a local branch, attend lectures (this is CPD), attend seminars and conferences (definitely CPD), get to know people, network! I anticipate a good while before I finally take off the blue suit for the last time but there's no harm in feathering my nest now.

 

[MontyPlumbs]

Tricky, does this mean I could apply for LCGI?

I'm TMIET as well as EC(UK) EngTech, but only an SAC Tech, is it still possible for me to apply for LCGI? (Just another bit of paper for when I leave)

Incidentally, once I've finished my Degree I'm looking at going for IEng, all the jobs I've seen pay more if you are IEng or Ceng, so surely it's not a complete waste of time?

 

[TrickyTree]

Yes it does.

Have a look here and open the .pdf entitled Engineering Application form. It'll set you back £108.

I'm not entirely sure of the value of C&G Senior Awards per se but what I do know is that the name of City and Guilds is widely respected all over the globe so I don't think you or any of us would be sold a pig in a poke.

Who are you doing your degree with? I started a BEng(Hons) with the OU but my Cert Ed last year got in the way. I'm thinking of taking MST121/MS221 (60 points of maths) starting next Feb but I'm also considering the BSc(Hons) in Engineering Management that's run by Lincoln. It'll be a quicker degree but I'm not sure its what I really want.

In my more fantastic moments I want to do pure physics, too, but the maths would kill me. I'm trying to work through Sir Roger Penrose's "The Road to Reality" at the moment and my God! it's flippin' hard!

 

[MontyPlumbs]

I started off doing the Open university BEng, so far Ive done T191 and T209, but I just found its not flexible enough for me.

I've now transferred to Derby University and I'm doing a BSc in Engineering & Management. I'm doing it through the LTW programme, its great because you can study pretty much what and were you want, once you've agreed it with the University.

I did a HNC in Business & Management before I joined the RAF, but I'm concentrating on Engineering Qualifications during my Service career because I'm looking at going into railway engineering when I leave.

Having looked at the LCGI, the criteria states 3 years of supervisory experience, how will I go about blagging this as an SAC?

 

[TrickyTree]

Don't worry about that.

The application form (follow the link in my previous post) merely asks for your Institution and EC(UK) details. If you remember, you had to demonstrate supervisory capability to become an Eng Tech in the first place (this is competency C3 in UK-SPEC for Eng Tech). Because you've done it once you don't need to do it again - EC(UK) and C&G have agreed that CEng, IEng and Eng Tech are directly mapped onto MCGI, GCGI and LCGI.

I understand that experience in aerospace is very welcome in railway engineering as the new generation of trains use a lot of aerospace technology. I have a friend (ex-rigger jnr tech) who worked for Alstom on the Pendolino - he's helping the Swedes integrate it into their network now.

Mmmm....Derby....I know one of the lecturers there (she's not an engineer though).

 

[Ghandi's Flip-Flop]

I'm looking to obtain IET membership at ENg Tech level at the least. However i'm struggling to find a member of the IET up here at Lossie to support my application. I have recently finished my HNC and hope to have my LCGI obtained soon. WHat else would I have to do to obtain IEng status? I've looked at the IET website which confirms i'm well above the criteria for EngTech but the minimum criteria for IEng seem a little bit poorly defined. If its any help I'm a Q'd, Self Supp, Multi-Skilled Cpl who's been in for over 10 years now. Would any of that count as suitable for propping up my HNC to enable me to obtain IEng? All help welcome DT_Xtremez_19: DT_Xtremez_30:

 

[MontyPlumbs]

I'm looking to obtain IET membership at ENg Tech level at the least. However i'm struggling to find a member of the IET up here at Lossie to support my application. I have recently finished my HNC and hope to have my LCGI obtained soon. WHat else would I have to do to obtain IEng status? I've looked at the IET website which confirms i'm well above the criteria for EngTech but the minimum criteria for IEng seem a little bit poorly defined. If its any help I'm a Q'd, Self Supp, Multi-Skilled Cpl who's been in for over 10 years now. Would any of that count as suitable for propping up my HNC to enable me to obtain IEng? All help welcome DT_Xtremez_19: DT_Xtremez_30:

Usually you have to hold an Honours Degree to qualify, but the ECUK look at special cases, in your case you would probably have to take some exams or write a professional report, in addition to the IEng interview, why don't you contact IET admissions for some gen?

MP

 

[Ghandi's Flip-Flop]

When I completed TMT two years ago I was made aware of a deal the RAF had to fast track people through Eng-Tech registration upon completion of TMT. At the time I had no intention of leaving the RAF and as a result misplaced the paperwork. I know this was a deal with the IIE, my question is, is this still offered by the IET and does anyone know where I could obtain the relevant paperwork?

 

[TrickyTree]

I don't know if the IET offer this, the old Forces Liaison Network that the IIE used to run prior to the merger seems to have died a death. I was quite involved with it but as I say it's all gone quiet.....I have a contact though and will see what if anything is happening with it.

Having read your previous post I suggest you get on to the IET website and apply on line for Technician Membership (post-noms TMIET). One of my colleagues here did so last Monday and got his membership card two days later. I would also suggest you apply for Eng Tech - everything you need to apply is on the website here. You are more than adequately qualified and should have no problem at all gaining EC(UK) registration.

I really do suggest that you make use of the membership department for your queries. In my experience they are a very friendly bunch and will be more than happy to assist. Remember that the Institution (and the profession generally) wants you to be registered and is there to help you, not to get in your way.

 

[Ghandi's Flip-Flop]

Yeah already joined and my TMIET certificate arrived in the post this morning. Just downloaded the normal Eng Tech Registration Paperwork and my god is it drawn out lol. Was basically just trying to save me filling out as many forms, but will do so if the faster mare painless option isn't available.

 

[wobbly]

Or check out this

HERE

 

[Ghandi's Flip-Flop]

Already got the LCGI application filled out and ready to go. However just being a 2 striper I can't go the RAF route. I also need the eng-tech registration to support the LCGI application as they are directly mappable to each other. Looks like I'll have to bite the bullet and fill out the lengthy application forms. Just keep telling myself nothing good ever comes easy lol

 

[Major Geek]

Or check out this

HERE

How do you get "A copy of your service record (JPA Assignment Record)"
to go with the application? Cant work out how to do it on JPA.

 

[TrickyTree]

Already got the LCGI application filled out and ready to go. However just being a 2 striper I can't go the RAF route. I also need the eng-tech registration to support the LCGI application as they are directly mappable to each other. Looks like I'll have to bite the bullet and fill out the lengthy application forms. Just keep telling myself nothing good ever comes easy lol

The Eng Tech-mapped LCGI and the RAF sponsored LCGI are not the same. If you take advantage if the EC(UK)/C&G mapping then your LCGI will be in Engineering. The Innsworth route for SNCOs/officers gives senior awards in Leadership and Management.

How do you get "A copy of your service record (JPA Assignment Record)"
to go with the application? Cant work out how to do it on JPA.

I don't think you can do it yourself, I think you have to get the shineys to do it for you. I got my LCGI pre-JPA, that's why I'm not too sure.

 

[sumps]

As I understand it, the idea of liability is attached to certain Post-Nominals (PN’s) i.e. C Eng, I Eng, and Eng Tech are graded by the Engineering Council (UK) Engineering Council (UK) in terms of experience and ability. As TrickTree said in post 25 your only route to these is via an EC(UK) approved professional body.
These are graded through a document called UK-SPEC this gives the standards required to obtain the above PN’s for C Eng and I Eng are contained in this pdf file – if you care to look at it the SNCO’s and up with the relevant academic qualifications / experience could probably qualify (IMHO some of the JNCO’s could squeeze under this wire) however practically all the NCO carder will qualify for
Eng Tech

Now back to the liability factor. If it is agreed by both the professional body and the EC(UK) to award one of their grades and subsequently you are employed because the employer requires the employee to hold this status, it will be because your proven experience (giving you the PN’s) will put you into a position in that company that carries greater liability/culpability in the event of things going wrong.

It may also be for company prestige e.g. “this company is recognised for having all of their engineers registered”.

Generally to hold C Eng you need an MEng/MSc, I Eng an BEng/BSc and Eng Tech a HND/HNC – however consult the above documents to confirm.

As for awarding bodies, look at your chosen career path i.e. If you are stuck in aviation the closest is probably the Royal Aeronautical Society (RAeS). Mechanical Engineers may want to look at the Institute of Mechanical Engineers (IMechE). (These now recognise Eng Tech). If you want a broader spectrum the Institute of Engineering and Technology (IET) has recently absorbed a myriad of institutes and bodies to cover just about every aspect of engineering OR go to the EC(UK) site and find an organisation that suits you and your career!

To hold these you will have to pay £150 (ish) (maybe more maybe less, depending) a year however if you pick the right company they may pay it for you under the professional recognition they want you to have of part of a professional development programme.

Finally if you choose to attend some of the seminars/ symposiums or conferences not only will there be a greater chance of cross fertilisation of ideas and experiences with in your chosen field but the networking chances are fantastic – I attended an RAeS function last week and we in our section have picked up a whole heap of ides about our training and RAF training in general.

In summary:
1. Look at your career
2. choose an appropriate body
3. Be prepared to pay
4. Enjoy (use wisely) the benifits of your chosen professional body

For my sins I am an Associate member of the Royal Aeronautical Society (AMRAeS) with an EC(UK) grade of Eng Tech, I am now looking to move up to I Eng and join the IET.

Good Luck in your chosen path

 

[MontyPlumbs]

Can I just resurrect this old thread to state the IET/EC (UK) now accepts an RAF AMA from Cosford (NVQ 3 and BTEC NC) as exemplifying qualifications for the EngTech award thanks to using my portfolio as a guinea pig.

This should hopefully help everyone out by not having to suffer mountains of form filling/competence proving.

No excuse to get registered now, everyone from SAC(T) up should be able to attain professional status.