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Public perception of the RAF

Talk Wrench

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I agree with the points raised the RAF does need to raise its profile somewhat more but the role is changing for instance :
air defence is not as important who is going to invade us now not even ze germans

You are obviously oblivious to the fact that the RAF and Germany have a recent and long post WW2 history? Plus you must have never heard of Thomas The Tank Engine? The secret Rutland base which trained many German pilots till it went harrier?
 

Realist78

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The first thing we need to do is teach the rank and file airmen/women what the RAF is all about; something which Sir Peter Squire started but which was treated by many as a fad which would disappear once he retired.

I have never met a matelot who cannot talk with some level of authority about 400 years of tradition nor who doesn't know something about the role and crew complement of most of HM Ships.

Even the most illiterate and innumerate pongo can recite his regiment's battle honours.

Like TW I have got into conversations with many civvies over the years which go along the lines of "Oh, you're in the RAF. What do you fly?" I tell them I fly a desk and they always look either disappointed or confused. But until we as a force - and not just staff college graduates - can talk with some sense of pride about Air Power and what it means on the world stage then we will never persuade the great unwashed that we are more than just an expensive hobby.

Agree 100% TBJ, half of my guys wouldn't know what Air Power is (once you've discounted rivet guns etc). The AP3003 distribution had the best intentions but it was probably a few years too late, the rot had already set in. Saying that, it was a reactionary measure. I think that a strong return to Unit/Sqn/Whatever identity would be a start, your examples of the Army & Navy highlight the fact.:pDT_Xtremez_19:
 

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Was that the one filmed over at Bruggen? It had a Phantom "ejection" and something bursting into flames or something like that?

Oh, and all the linies were Flight Sergeants, Warrants and Officers - :pDT_Xtremez_42:

Main channel TV series that I can recall about the RAF in the last 25 years are as follows,

Fighter Pilot - BBC 1981/2 - a fly on the wall series, which followed 6 prospective RAF pilots from Selection to OCU over a three year period. One ended up on Buccs, one on Hercs and the rest got chopped.

Squadron - BBC 1982 - a drama series about at fictional RAF squadron (333 Squadron, if memory serves) which was supposed to be a Rapid Deployment Force. It was equipped with Harriers, Pumas, Herc's and (briefly) Phantoms. The series was filmed at Upavon, though they did run into some problems filming it as the Harriers the RAF give to the BBC to film the show had to go and fight a real war. Only 10 were made and it was let down by a low budget and wooden acting (though the series did show something of the life for the other ranks, including the unit's GD airman who had the misfortune of having to look after the Sqn Mascot, a very bad tempered Goat (head butts the AOC in the Ball's if I remember correctly)). In the first episode one of the unit's Phantom's also shots down a Jaguar (operated by a rebel african unit), after it shots down the unit’s puma while involved an evacuation of British nationals from a fiction African country. (bet they didn’t know that it was going to happen for real while they were filming it).

Rescue - ITV 1989/1990 - a fly on the wall series about a year of 202 Sqn Sea King operations at ISK, well known for the fact that the film crews on the Sea Kings got the some of the best footage of the Piper Alpha rescue operations.

Strike Force - ITV 1995 - a 90 min drama pilot about a fiction Tornado F3 unit. As Pie Sandwich has correctly stated it was utter p!sh, I watched about 10 minutes of it then switched channels.

BBC2 did run a series about the Hawk training at RAF Valley a few years back, but it was shown at 6 o’clock so I missed most of them.

The only other one I can recall was ‘Top Guns’ on Discovery, which covered 29 Sqn F3s on a det to Cold Lake in the mid 1990’s.

Saying that I was at the Fleet Air Museum a few weeks back, and found a DVD set of the BBC series 'Sailor' filmed aboard the old Ark Royal in 1976. Having only been 10 at the time it was shown, I bought it and noted how good it was, dodgy 70's shirts and all. The series had little narration and relied on the servicemen being filmed explaining what they were doing. The series covered the ship from the captain down to the Matloe banged up for desertion while the ship was docked in the USA, Flight and ships operations, matloe’s on the P!ss while a shore and getting charged, making their own entertainment, reading porn mag’s in the messes, the works, warts and all and nothing made up. Some good footage of Bucc’s and Phantoms as well.

If only something like that about the RAF could be done.
 
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I know for a fact I have 0% pride in my squadron, it's a joke. Shame, it was WW1s highest scoring RFC/RAF squadron too....

Whilst in the RAF I spent some time away with the RN and to a man, every member of any given ship would swear that their ship was the best in the fleet. The RAF, however, does not command that kind of pride. If you asked a serviceman what he thinks of, say, RAF Marham or RAF Brize Norton, you're unlikely to hear back "Marham/Brize? Best Bloody station in the Air Force!". Those stations that came close, he said wiping away a tear for RAF Coltishall and the like, have now been closed. A ship, it is widely believed has a soul. An RAF base, especially now the 21 year old business studies graduate 'consultants' have done their hatchet work, does not. If we're to foster some kind of national pride in the RAF, we need to first nurture (or resuscitate) our own pride in our uniform, our service, our traditions. And that will take leadership at every level. Every Officer, every WO, every S & J NCO needs to take responsibility for the camaraderie of their section, their station. Only when we have restored pride in ourselves will the citizens of Great Britain follow our lead.

End of (deeply nostalgic) broadcast.
 

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I really do not think "they" would allow any film crews near any groundcrew section at the moment. Can you imagine the comments some unhappy servicemen/women would be making?

This would not really help the public image much, but the truth can hurt.
 

roverboy

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Was that the one filmed over at Bruggen? It had a Phantom "ejection" and something bursting into flames or something like that?

Oh, and all the linies were Flight Sergeants, Warrants and Officers - :pDT_Xtremez_42:

I think the program in question was the one that they filmed at 56 Sqn. It was pathetic, particularly the scene where the crew walked to a jet that had no engines in it!! Once again, it fuelled the public perception that everyone who serves in the RAF must be a pilot. God knows who fixes the planes for them!!??

When I did IMLC, we kept getting told that every recruit who was passing through Halton at the time got "air power" drummed into their skulls, but I don't know how true or effective it is/was.
 

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The problem is as well they still keep going along the lines of "you don't have to be a pilot to fly in the RAF" which still shows planes flying round etc etc and not enough of what 99.9% of the RAF actually do.

The only recruitment adverts we have show Typhoons flying about, etc, so how can we expect anyone to know what goes on behind the scenes? I doubt many of us could really appreciate what everyone does.

Until we get it sorted, people will still assume everyone in the RAF is a pilot!
 
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The RAF will inplode

The RAF will inplode

How can we (RAF) recruit when all the public see is DEATH & DESTRUCTION coffins draped in union jacks, The airforce is so undermanned and so inexperienced its a very bad joke we as in the workforce get treated like S**T and have to put up with it. I have 2 and half years left to my 22 and looking forward to it I feel sorry for the poor Cannon fodder that is joining now all they have to look forward to is the adventure to keep alive long enough to see a pension a tough task in todays modern Royal Air Farce. The RAF will inplode within 5-6 years as no experience no recruits.
 
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The first thing we need to do is teach the rank and file airmen/women what the RAF is all about; something which Sir Peter Squire started but which was treated by many as a fad which would disappear once he retired.

I have never met a matelot who cannot talk with some level of authority about 400 years of tradition nor who doesn't know something about the role and crew complement of most of HM Ships.

Even the most illiterate and innumerate pongo can recite his regiment's battle honours.

Like TW I have got into conversations with many civvies over the years which go along the lines of "Oh, you're in the RAF. What do you fly?" I tell them I fly a desk and they always look either disappointed or confused. But until we as a force - and not just staff college graduates - can talk with some sense of pride about Air Power and what it means on the world stage then we will never persuade the great unwashed that we are more than just an expensive hobby.


TBJ,

We do teach the rank and file all about the RAF and it's glorious history........?

During basic training they are taken to Hendon and send a full day undertaking tasks and learning about the RAF. It is part of the Airpower brief that we all get.

Sorry if this is been pointed out before, should have read the rest of the posting.:S
 

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During basic training they are taken to Hendon and send a full day undertaking tasks and learning about the RAF. It is part of the Airpower brief that we all get.

FFS, they get day trips out now ? Must be like being in school all over again !!

A whole full 1 day learing about the RAF........just shows why the RAF is the way it is today......

Crack on..............:pDT_Xtremez_09:
 

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Do they still have the "airmanship" exams (think thats what they were called) ? I remember having to do something like that when I was at Swinderby.
 

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Do they still have the "airmanship" exams (think thats what they were called) ? I remember having to do something like that when I was at Swinderby.

I think they were General Service Knowledge exams, GSK1 & 2 I can remember reading the books they issued you at Swinditz.
 

Talk Wrench

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FFS, they get day trips out now ? Must be like being in school all over again !!

A whole full 1 day learing about the RAF........just shows why the RAF is the way it is today......

Crack on..............:pDT_Xtremez_09:



You have a good point there Tashy.

When I joined the RAF it was a requirement to display a sound knowledge of the service at the CIO even before you signed the dotted line.

TW
 

True Blue Jack

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You have a good point there Tashy.

When I joined the RAF it was a requirement to display a sound knowledge of the service at the CIO even before you signed the dotted line.

TW

Agreed. Any civvy employer expects applicants to know something about the business/industry they are hoping to work for. The RAF was no different when I joined up and I fail to see how a day at Hendon DURING recruit training can engender a sense of pride in the Service.
 

MontyPlumbs

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Agreed. Any civvy employer expects applicants to know something about the business/industry they are hoping to work for. The RAF was no different when I joined up and I fail to see how a day at Hendon DURING recruit training can engender a sense of pride in the Service.

Knowing about the RAF is different to having pride in the RAF.

I know lot's about Balfour Beatty rail but I have no pride in it.

Different kettle of fish.
 
J

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I think the program in question was the one that they filmed at 56 Sqn. It was pathetic, particularly the scene where the crew walked to a jet that had no engines in it!! Once again, it fuelled the public perception that everyone who serves in the RAF must be a pilot. God knows who fixes the planes for them!!??

When I did IMLC, we kept getting told that every recruit who was passing through Halton at the time got "air power" drummed into their skulls, but I don't know how true or effective it is/was.

Before starting IOT I've been given a reading list of about 10 books for a test on 'Air Power' in the first week of training. I obviously don't know how relevant this will prove to be over the next few years but if it could be rolled out to all recruits maybe that might make a difference?
 

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Before starting IOT I've been given a reading list of about 10 books for a test on 'Air Power' in the first week of training. I obviously don't know how relevant this will prove to be over the next few years but if it could be rolled out to all recruits maybe that might make a difference?

What's on the List, just out of interest???
 
J

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What's on the List, just out of interest???


I don't have it with me but

"High Commanders of the Royal Air Force"

"Thunder and Lightening" It's actually spelt like that on the sheet :pDT_Xtremez_09:

"First Light"

You've caught me on a bad day but there are a few more.
 
J

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First light is a very good read, I recommend it.

Well that's one on the 'essential' list, for seemingly obvious reasons, but I'll read and endeavour to enjoy each one!
 
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