Ex Red going down.

[Oldstacker]

@4mastacker , funny you should mention the issue of "bringing them back into the RAF"; I was wondering whether their isolation at Scampton away from 'normal' people was a contributory factor to the state of affairs. Seems likely if the possibility had been recognized as far back as the Kemble closure.

 

[Cornish_Pikey]

They are "back" at Waddo now and overflying the local area daily even though the airspace hasn't been cleared for use by them.

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They are currently "temporarily" using the airspace daily. Flying all over the local area in formation spilling their diesel everywhere.

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[4mastacker]

@4mastacker , funny you should mention the issue of "bringing them back into the RAF"; I was wondering whether their isolation at Scampton away from 'normal' people was a contributory factor to the state of affairs. Seems likely if the possibility had been recognized as far back as the Kemble closure.

As I said, the plan included moving other elements of CFS along with its HQ to Scampton so they would not be the only flying unit on the station. The issue arose of conflicting flying programmes for the Reds and the rest of CFS as the Reds wanted to book the air space over the station for a couple of hours at least three times a day for their practices which put the kybosh on CFS's flying programme. How it worked out I don't know as I was posted. Perhaps someone forgot the real reason for their move to Scampton and scrubbed the CFS move.

 

[norfolkred1]

I've said it before - i found most of them to be arses.

Stood on a gate checking ID's was always met with "don't you know who i am?". They answered the phones, Red 1, Red 2 etc - who the actual feck am i talking to?

But whenever we deployed with them, they always got the best hotels, functions and were happy to splash the cash!

When they do Cromer Air show stopping at Marham is a no no, lets stop at Norwich for high life 4* Hotels.

 

[Barch]

It looks like there are more than just RAF eyes watching them closely ,,,

Are they now the pariahs of the RAF and will anyone want to be associated with them?

 

[Tin basher]

The PR battle is now important. If they become to toxic for brand RAF then questions will be asked in high places. Are they better retained and out there displaying or better to be consigned to the habits of an earlier age?

 

[Barch]

The PR battle is now important. If they become to toxic for brand RAF then questions will be asked in high places. Are they better retained and out there displaying or better to be consigned to the habits of an earlier age?

Get rid of them and show Joe Public that their like will not be tolerated.

The people may be new and white as snow but the name "Red Arrows" will forever be tainted by their history.

 

[muttywhitedog]

Which of Martin Pert or Tom Bould presided over this toxic culture referred to? Pert was 2017-2020 and Bould 2020-2023. It seems both of them had 3 years as Red 1 and neither was finished early.

 

[Downsizer]

OC RAFAT isn't Red One, this is refering to Montenegro is it not?

 

[Downsizer]

but the name "Red Arrows" will forever be tainted by their history.

Will it though? Apart from hardcore spotters the general public have no idea about this.

 

[mullah lite]

When they do Cromer Air show stopping at Marham is a no no, lets stop at Norwich for high life 4* Hotels.

While I've never been in or around the RAFAT, I suspect that's as much to do with airfield hours and staffing as accommodation, but let's not allow that to affect your opinion eh?

 

[norfolkred1]

While I've never been in or around the RAFAT, I suspect that's as much to do with airfield hours and staffing as accommodation, but let's not allow that to affect your opinion eh?

And having a F/S mate doing a favour of a driving the team from pan to Mess being called 'hey driver' did not go down too well. Just a bunch of arrogant fookers who are up their own asses. Yes I have seen them in action in the Sgts' Mess in Aki lauding it.

 

[mullah lite]

And having a F/S mate doing a favour of a driving the team from pan to Mess being called 'hey driver' did not go down too well. Just a bunch of arrogant fookers who are up their own asses. Yes I have seen them in action in the Sgts' Mess in Aki lauding it.

I don't doubt their opinion of themselves and general attitude's troublesome, and I'd drop them in a heartbeat. There are better things that could be done with a squadron's worth of engineers, support and even pilots.

If they're to survive, and personally I wouldn't shed a tear should they go, a large portion of humble pie needs to be taken on board. (Although the occasional jet over Mullah Towers has brought a grin to my face)