Rotary world first......?

[Stevienics]

Looks like we only have to dump the family saloon.....the other two are losing their new 5 series.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/new...o-be-scrapped-amid-defence-spending-cuts.html

 

[grumpyoldb]

There seem to be a lot of different proposals coming out. Maybe he's throwing the idea's around to see who screams the loudest.

Altogether now.............................

 

[Pikeman]

Well, as Merlin is going Navy it dont exactly leave us much.

 

[busby1971]

There are probably loads of documents around at the mo

There are probably loads of documents around at the mo

There will be lots of documents around at the moment that look at cuts all over the place, these may or not be released sorry leaked to judge public opinion.

I would have thought that support helicopters would be safe for a while, those fat chinnies have yet to be used yet.

SAR has been going civi for a while as it just isn't a military role anymore, this just moves the costs to other places within the govt.

 

[Welburn75]

Surely the reduction of the helicopter fleet, while still fighting in Afghanistan, (particularly the Chinook fleet) can only be political suicide for this relatively new government.

 

[BillyBunter]

What we have already is fine for the Afghanistan proposal long term

Why buy more when they will not have a job in 2014

I think Liam Fox is weighing up post Afghan but keeping the hearts and minds thing while currently in operations . Cant be seen to get rid of but in a spin way the helicopters are no use when we pull out of Afghan. This government is actually thinking and for once they doing things about it


Fight club please :raf:

 

[Joe_90]

In the bigger scheme of things is their actually money to be saved by turning SAR civvy? Once you decide how big a SAR force you need then it has to be funded from the public purse, all three Services currently train people in all the requirements for a SAR force and will continue to do so whether we have a responsibility for it or not.

A more sensible way of doing things like this would be to agree that SAR funding comes from outside the military but that we will continue to run it as we can continue to give people the training. There are probably a lot of things that can be done like this across all the budgets but they are all being looked at individually instead of as a big pot of money that we have to share round efficiently.

It's a bit like looking at all your own personal finances and deciding you want to get rid of your car to save money and then finding you pay out just as much money in taxi fares to get to work.

 

[Tubby]

We will always be back up SAR (not just some aircrew for it). In the UK we cover long range SAR with Albert being the cover when the Nimrods go a bit wobbly but we also cover in other countries such as the F.I and I think they may still do it in Cyprus. The Navy probably cover it in the Caribean and elsewhere but it we all need it to pluck ejected or crashed jockies from where ever we might be.

I would pluck for the ancillory trades for cuts or civilianisation; chefs, admin, PTI's, whatever is left of 2nd line work to name but a few. The first to go though should be the excess of senior officers, we could save least 4 jobs for every one of the that go so they should be culled, no more jobs for the boys.

 

[Stevienics]

In the bigger scheme of things is their actually money to be saved by turning SAR civvy?

Well, yes there is.

• There is a particular equipment that you do not have to provide not maintain (nor replace).
• There are aircrew you do not have to cross train then lose for their term on the equipment and role.
• There are the ground personnel who you likewise do not need to x-train and lose to the equipment and role.
• You get to specify the duties and the hours required, without having to worry about the hows, where's and wherefores.

Basically, the service is so specialised and discrete that it is 100% prime material for out-sourcing. The only key element is in the contract decription and monitoring.........but that's OK because the MoD are soooooooo good at that.

 

[Joe_90]

I'm not saying the MoD can't save money by outsourcing SAR but I don't believe that much can be saved from the Country as a whole by outsourcing. All the things you mentioned will have to be done by the contractor and who will pay them?

 

[snowball1]

The new SAR contract was put on hold due to lack of funds though.

 

[UlsterExile]

Until the cuts are offficially announced and what is being cut we can all speculate until the cows come home.

 

[grumpyoldb]

Until the cuts are offficially announced and what is being cut we can all speculate until the cows come home.

I think that's what we are doing already. DT_Xtremez_14:

 

[kwakermad]

Well, yes there is.

• There is a particular equipment that you do not have to provide not maintain (nor replace).
• There are aircrew you do not have to cross train then lose for their term on the equipment and role.
• There are the ground personnel who you likewise do not need to x-train and lose to the equipment and role.

The ground crew are already civvies and have been for two years.

 

[Stevienics]

You will have to forgive me. I have been out for some time.
What you say makes absolute sense - even more so if it is drilled down to 3rd line and support logs.