No need to do the RAFT anymore.

[s1mtech]

This argument amazes me everytime.

I think it is simple, if you can't be ar%*d to keep up your fitness and pass your RAFFT, you do not deserve to wear the uniform!!

Simples!

 

[AceRimmer]

Just a question, are you arguing that the RAF MSFT is fit for purpose or not fit? After reading all your replies, imp quiet confused as to your position on this matter. I also see that you are of the "non-passing so you are lazy ilk", completely ignoring those who are injured in the line of duty of course.

I am not arguing anything. Why would I have to argue for something that is IN SERVICE RIGHT NOW?? I am giving my support to the entire RAFFT system currently in place. I’ve stated my reasons for this previously. Of course anyone who is injured in the line of duty or otherwise for that matter is not the same as those who ARE lazy and anti-fitness. I certainly HAVE NOT stated anywhere, that persons who are injured should do the RAFFT. I will state once again, IF YOU ARE A MEMBER OF THE RAF, AND YOU DO NOT HAVE A MED CHIT, YOU SHOULD BE FIT ENOUGH TO CARRYOUT YOUR JOB EFFECTIVELY ON OP’s. THIS IS PROVED BY, PASSING YOUR RAFFT. IT IS UPTO THE RAF TO DECIDE, WHAT STANDARD, HOW OFTEN AND WHAT THE CONSEQUENCES ARE IF YOU FAIL.
Hope my opinion on that is clear. What you some on here are choosing to ignore is this, IT IS HAPPENING RIGHT NOW, HAS BEEN FOR SOME TIME AND IS HERE TO STAY. It will NOT be altered because a tiny minority of lazy and yes usually obese SP’s, can’t motivate themselves to do it.
You can argue all you like, but everything I have written above is a FACT. Please contact, your local P1,
Ped Flt or Med Ctr to have it clarified for you.

Sorry mate, i was just confused as to your posistion, i did state that. Im also just running off comments that ive seen, and that have been raised in the debate.

The RAF Fitness test is an emotive subject, and one that gets bleats from all quarters. People are entitled to come on here and let off steam about it, wether they are Commsioned or not, SNCO or LAC. This forum offers them the ability to really let loose about stuff thats close to the heart for some people. I myself am currently injured, i have no latest date that I can start running again, and I have just over a year left in service unless I can get my fitness test passed and my JMLC done. I have no choice in the matter, as i need to be fully fixed as an ankle injury can be lethal on the MSFT.

So i have seen it from both sides of the fence, gone from passing no problem to no running or much phys at all, putting on weight etc. Im lucky in that i can do 2 sessions a week in works time, and i also use my local gym with the missus regulary, when im not downgraded that is.

Most people on here who complain and moan about the test are the ones who pass it the most frequently. I cannot comment for line squadrons and other stations, but here at the unit I work at no one is fussed about doing it, but they still complain about it. Nearly everyone who I have ever spoken too would rather do a 1.5 mile run than the constant twisting and turning of the MSFT. I know that is what the RAF has decreed, however it doesnt instantly make it right. The reason most of us are in the RAF is becasue we were too smart to head to the Pongos! We are an intelligent service, and we know how to question the system where it is required. Hence why we end up having these debates on here.

Just a hypothetical situation here, if i pass my Fitness test to the required level, say light blue in everything, then the following 3 fitness tests only pushed myself to pass the womens fitness tests (which are exponentially lower than the lack of combat action for women should account for), would the RAF be able to kick me out? As I would feel that i had a legal case under equal opportunites law etc to go to court. This isnt a dig in any way either, just a situation that the RAF could find itself in. I accept that people will be kicked out due to a poor attitude to fitness, and a poor attitude to thier diet and lifestyle. However, that isnt the majority of people in the RAF, we believe in Service before self, in keeping ourselves fit and healthy. Yet we see something that isnt a level playing field, or even close. Just as an example, there is a lass here who is over 30 who pretty much gets to the 18 YO lads MSFT scores, so its nothing to do with gender etc.

Also, and this isnt directed at the post you replied with to me mate, if you want to be taken seriously around here in a serious debate, then you may want to tone down the attitude slightly. People on here banter all the time and take the ****, so not every post should be taken as insulting. If someone is constantly making sh1tty comments, then by all means call them a cnut and go to town on them. Just taking a deep breath before typing can seriously help the tone of your posting DT_Xtremez_30:

 

[STACKERMAN]

rafft

rafft

well i,m one of those poor sods that has a get out of jail free card back back surgery does that for youDT_Xtremez_35:

 

[Stevienics]

Destroys one's punctuation, however.

 

[Oberon305]

Destroys one's punctuation, however.

Ha ha........it is pretty bad!

 

[he_who_dares_rodney]

The RAF MSFT is a joke, the different passing levels for men vs women as one quoted example. The army do a 1.5 mile run in under 10:30, which serves them well alongside other combat fitness tests. I belive the Navy have a 2km run, and a swim test. It is only our test which is a joke, and one which is proven to aggravate any minor ankle or knee tweaks.

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The Army test is actually closer to three miles
We ran down the course as a squad and then back under your own steam
I think there is a minumum distance you have to do as a squad to the start point

I've never passed a bleep test I can pass the mle and a half easily but never in a month of sundays can I do that stupid back wards and forwards crap I don't care how many Beckham ro Rooney achieved it's not for me

I do sympathise with people forced to do it but given the choice round the track or down the airfield I go

 

[Squips]

I am now at a unit that was a while ago (18months) expecting a brand new LAC fresh from training however because they didn't pass thier RAFT they were stopped from passing out. The have been stories going around that they were getting kicked out because of a bad attitude but they fought the case and by the sounds of it have won as they have just been posted...

anyone heard anything like this before? and does that mean that the rest of us no longer have to pass the test and or will the test now be the same for both men and women?

Yea happened when i was at Cosford, used to get guys joining our course for PT sessions who werent allowed to leave till they passed there fitness test.

With PT 3 times a week, you actually have to put physical effort into being unhealthy i swear.

 

[metimmee]

I belive the Navy have a 2km run, and a swim test. It is only our test which is a joke, and one which is proven to aggravate any minor ankle or knee tweaks.

It might surprise you to hear that the Navy MSFT levels are lower than ours. They can take the MSFT as an alternative to the run. I took mine the other day with RN collegues. With the RAF test, I had to get to 8.3, the RN 8.0. While I settled down to do my press-ups and sit-ups, they had all left as they have no strength component to their test.

Actually, most of them had left before I had finished as I was the last man running. I think the PTI was surprised a fat old knacker like me could get to level 10 with a BMI of 32 DT_Xtremez_30:

There are roles within the RN that require a much higher degree of fitness - but the bog standard test has a lower level than ours. I should also point out that the RN test is annual whatever level you achieve.

 

[Tashy_Man]

I should also point out that the RN test is annual whatever level you achieve.

Hmmm Equality in the forces then ?...I would expect this to be an arguement in the case of anyone dismissed from the RAF for fitness reasons.

Crack on.....................DT_Xtremez_09:

 

[Commskiller]

Have you considered the fact that RAFFT may just have been elevated to it's current status by a trade under siege? Personally after the failure of the 'Operational Fitness Test' I think it may have more to do with 'Mirror Techs' suddenly realising there days were numbered unless they pulled something out of the bag! Outstanding work though to manage it by only needing to write down a few numbers and the words pass or fail. They even managed to pass the responsibilty for enforcing the new fitness policy onto everyone else. With no accountability I trust they are on the 'Higher pay Scale'. Bl**dy genius I say!