AMMs, what's yours like?

[HPLO]

Well pray tell, what are yours like? I have to admit I've seen some in my time that are quite good, but then again I've worked with some that chalenge all logic and struggle to breath and walk at the same time. Are Cosford giving us what we want/need or just churning out manpower to fiil a gap?

 

[Realist78]

The output of the ones from their further training is, IMO, on the whole impressive. Obviously the 1st timers are a bit of a mixed bag.

 

[Spearmint]

They are of a better standard than the Navy Part 4's. I showed a few of them a set of wire locking pliers the other day and they all sat around it waiting for it to sprout legs and walk off.

 

[Stevienics]

They are of a better standard than the Navy Part 4's. I showed a few of them a set of wire locking pliers the other day and they all sat around it waiting for it to sprout legs and walk off.

Ha Ha. I have to admit that gave me a late evening chuckle. I have no doubt hat you are serious in many respects Spmnt, and it gives me the idea for a thread I want to explore.

It may run and run. Lets see.

 

[duffman]

Mainly pretty good, a few clueless but no doubt the same for every rank and trade you could think of. Only one thing, quite a few seem to look 'lost/gormless' when explaining things in detail when working on trade, even after asking still not sure if they do understand, is it me being a dull cnut or does anyone else see this? What's the level of teaching at cosford, how many complex systems do they learn. Are they told not to worry about learning too much in detail before they go on a ft course, as they may be jumping the gun?
Not worked with any from the FT system yet.

 

[DrunkenMonki]

They are a group of people from across society, and such like any group like that they are a mixture. Some are better than JT's of the old school I know, some are going nowhere. Bit of a daft question really!

 

[Mickwreay]

Mainly pretty good, a few clueless but no doubt the same for every rank and trade you could think of. Only one thing, quite a few seem to look 'lost/gormless' when explaining things in detail when working on trade, even after asking still not sure if they do understand, is it me being a dull cnut or does anyone else see this? What's the level of teaching at cosford, how many complex systems do they learn. Are they told not to worry about learning too much in detail before they go on a ft course, as they may be jumping the gun?
Not worked with any from the FT system yet.

Much like kids, they are what you make them!

If you treat them like lepers and give them ONLY line duties, then they are not going to be very interested.

We made sure they were rotated onto trade duties & this resulted in a healthy rivalry within the AMMs themselves.

There is always a few lazy lads/lasses but in the main they were keen to learn & as with most things in life, you get out what you put in.

 

[duffman]

Much like kids, they are what you make them!

If you treat them like lepers and give them ONLY line duties, then they are not going to be very interested.

We made sure they were rotated onto trade duties & this resulted in a healthy rivalry within the AMMs themselves.

There is always a few lazy lads/lasses but in the main they were keen to learn & as with most things in life, you get out what you put in.

I do try and get them involved on trade work rather than have them hold a torch all night. The only problem with getting them on trade jobs the snecs wouldn't release them from the line until line finished even if they weren't all needed. Then, on nights they would be knocked off they would rarely stay behind to help trade finish. Why the management thought it was a good idea I'm not sure but I think it was a case of; haven't time to teach them and/or they'll just get in the way.
The poster above is pretty spot on, people are people and you'll always get a wide spread of types.

 

[Goatherdingsplitter]

What's the level of teaching at cosford, how many complex systems do they learn. Are they told not to worry about learning too much in detail before they go on a ft course, as they may be jumping the gun?
Not worked with any from the FT system yet.

The very 1st generation pre lean, probably got a little too much theory, however, the reverse is now more likely the case.

If you want to find out exactly what is taught, why not visit Cosford for a day and see both AMM & FT training / talk to the instructors, it certainly helped the Lyneham guys that visited last year; WGAF or S2 can confirmDT_Xtremez_19:

 

[fat lazy techie]

I'm pretty sure we'll do our best to make any visitors welcome and answer any questions, all you have to do is pop up. If you get to speak to some of the instructors without certain people present you'll get some honest and interesting answers. We do like to help where we can. I have to admit, we do get a wide spectrum of ability and interest where the little darlings are concerned but that's life in a recession. We do what we can with them, however some do slip through the net. That's life I suppose.

 

[Martin Blank]

They need to do more compulsory PT,especially upper body weight training.
Here in the depths of Lincs they seem to be underdeveloped in this area causing frequent calls to GEF about U/S power sets.
It's very dishartening for them to see a suitably muscled Geffrey pushing in the plug just a little bit harder then hey presto, lights, power, action
DT_Xtremez_28:

 

[Ghandi's Flip-Flop]

They need to do more compulsory PT,especially upper body weight training.
Here in the depths of Lincs they seem to be underdeveloped in this area causing frequent calls to GEF about U/S power sets.
It's very dishartening for them to see a suitably muscled Geffrey pushing in the plug just a little bit harder then hey presto, lights, power, action
DT_Xtremez_28:

Its still a progression from where some of the little darlings are when they come through the hangar at the secrect West Midlands training establishment. They forget to even plug it in and wonder why the mighty Jags don't whir up when they podge the green buttonDT_Xtremez_14:

 

[rafabc123]

Is this a badditude forum or what?

I work in a depth environment with those who have just completed their further training. Having worked in such a challenging technical environment with these people i can honestly say that apart from limited aircraft experience, that they (as well as us) can follow a book to complete a job and attach a box to diagnose a fault. Whether amm's or x500's you do find people in the airforce who you genuinly struggle to class as homo sapien, regardless of some peoples silver spoon time in views. It is views such as refusing to work with Amm's however, that knock hard working good lads view of the RAF, causing their PVR's and leaving us with the football hating, rate saving, World of warcraft "time in" generation we are lumped with now.

As for the 1st stage Amm's, having worked closely with them in many sandy, boat, and pleasant places i have found them as capable as us x500's to service an aircraft after completing a line course. And on asking them to assist with trade work, find them more than pleased to be learning their future bread and butter. (nice to not be met with the sighs and grunts of full technicians).

People are people, all you neigh sayers i appologise for this long winded response. I will allow you to close the forum now, turn off the vegas hotel televisions, refuse to go out for a drink with the good lads so you can save your rates for the next x-box game, and crack on loading up your orks on world of warcraft, while thinking how much you falsely hate AMM'S......

 

[Oberon305]

I find it impossible to vote using the provided options.

There are, as stated previously:

Some who work their nuts off and are competent.

Some who work their nuts off and are thick as shiite, but are at least trying.

Some who can't be bothered with any trade work and just want to service day-in, day-out.


The thing is.....you get the same in all trades/levels. So it's not fair to necessarily blame the individuals is it?

 

[Roobsta]

We had lads from the first 3 courses. All were fantastic and we really liked what they did. Enthusiastic to a man, always happy to put the time in. Next delivery was about 50/50. Some were as good as time served SAC's and learned quickly, the rest needed more cajoling. 3rd lot 20/80 good/bad. Stik and carrot, lots of time spent repeatedly explaining. The good lot got it, the rest didn't. 4th lot - 10/90. 5th lot - picking up and back to about 50/50.

Some you can trust to flight service, others I wouldn't trust to tie their shoes. wouldn't it be boring if they were all the same?

 

[rest have risen above me]

I've only worked with them over the past 3 years and I'll be honest, some are as thick as two short planks others are cleverer than Einstein. Their training level is lower than I'd like but that gives the Cpls something to practise on. What I have found is 99% are keen as mustard and enthusastic to the point of being annoying (Which is a good thing). What I find even more pleasant is the current batch who due to no fault of their own are under utilised like mad (No jets) are trying to get into trouble like the FLMs of old... He he.. There's nothing worse than bored linies...