The RAF is all about standards, if some young thugs give me a mouthful for telling them off, it says more about their lack of respect for other people’s property and is indicative of the poor standards that most young people have nowadays. I joined the RAF 15 years ago and weed was just as readily available as it is now, I chose not to waste my time and money on it, living on a deprived council estate was bad enough without living up to the dope head dosser stereotype as well, so you don't have the monopoly in the being brought up on i a crap area stakes. I haven’t lived in a cage all these years and to insinuate that we are unaware as to what is happening in the "real" world yet is yet again a massive display of ignorance and arrogance on your part. What kind of response were you thinking you would get when you initially posted? As I said, we live our service lives by a set of standards and core values that most civilians don't.
IF you make it through training and complete a few years service, maybe you will realise that us old, out-of-touch, institutionalised old farts actually have a point!
DT_Xtremez_44:
Oh no, don't get me wrong. I didn't mean to say that you were actually like that, i was just asking if it happens that's all. You've still answered me though. Thanks.
Also i don't think that any you of don't have a point. I've said this a million times, i can see your point and do actually agree with you.
This insignificant little gob sh1te seems to think that as soon as you join up you have no contact with the 'real world'. Obviously none of us have our own houses, drink in pubs in cities/towns/villages and have no interaction with anything civilian.
I have some advice for him - grow up you little c0ck.
Same point again. I never thought any of you were like that, i was just asking if it was the case and expressing my fear of it being so.
Serious question... how old are you?
I've not long turned 18.
I'm sorry but I absolutely have to disagree with you here. I'm 26 years old, didn't grow up in the nicest place on the planet, and I'm not in the RAF (yet). Although I don't know how old you are, I'd say that puts us pretty much on a level playing field - except I know full well that taking drugs is a bad idea, not to mention illegal, and there is no way I would consider it. Like you, when I was (very slightly) younger a lot of my friends were into recreational drugs but I chose not to partake. I simply wasn't interested and didn't care if they thought any less of me for being a "square". As others have said, peer pressure only works if you are weak-willed enough to succumb to it and perhaps that is not compatible with what I understand are the values and qualities the RAF looks for in its recruits.
I've no wish to get into an argument with you, and I'm in no way trying to provoke you or claim any superiority or moral high ground. I gave up smoking (regular tobacco only) in February because I knew there was no way I could achieve the level of fitness required if I didn't. My partner, friends and family are proud of me and you should be equally congratulated for your 6 weeks. However, to start arguing and reacting to, in some cases, well deserved criticism in the manner you have I'm afraid does seem to prove some of those opinions expressed correct.
Moreover, having given my word to do or not do something I would consider myself seriously lacking in integrity and morals if I then went against what I had promised. To do so with something this important, particularly where very strict rules and and procedures are in place, is indefensible.
My point really is this - yes some of the people on here who have taken time out of their busy lives to speak to you may well have grown up many years ago, and yes the world is not the same as it was in the 60's, 70's or even 90's. That is not an excuse - there are millions of teenagers and people in their early, mid and late twenties who have managed not to get entangled with drugs, and this is certainly not because they weren't exposed to it. You cannot blame your friends, where you grew up or the society in which you live for your actions - you chose to do what you did and you should take responsibility for it. There are many other peole in similar situations who have avoided the problems you now have simply because they chose differently so these factors are irrelevant.
Just as an aside, I would bear in mind what was said in another controversial post - there are recruiters and training staff on here who you may come across in the real world. They are likely to realise who you are and are going to remember this thread. Why risk it? The serving members on here are doing us potential recruits a favour by talking to us and offering their insight and advice and perhaps they should be afforded some respect for that.
Ok, I apologise for posting such an essay. Like others on here this is a subject I feel quite strongly about and I wanted to offer an alternative view from someone who also grew up recently but didn't follwo the same path. Rant over now!!!
You're not disagreeing with me because because there's nothing to disagree with. I was asking a question not stating it was true. I probably could have worded it a bit better though, yeah.
On the peer pressure front, once again, i agree with this. I don't deny that my drug use was wrong. It was. I also stated before that the peer pressure wasn't actually a reason for anyone to smoke. I do wish i can go back and correct all my mistakes but i can't so what i'm trying to do now is make sure i don't make them twice. This thread, believe it or not, has actually been an eye opener and helped me quite a bit.
As for people recognising me when i do enter the RAF. Yeah i daresay they will but i'd like to think they're gonna be quite surprised about me. I'm not actually an arrogant or ignorant "druggie". I admit the mistakes i've made and am now attempting to correct them. Hopefully they will see that and if they don't i then i guess it will only be because i'm not succeeding. Not that i doubt i will succeed, it's probably one of my biggest priorities. That coupled with my determination to sort it out is what i think will improve me as a person.
Are you on drugs or something?
The following orders thing is a fact of life. FFS we are a MILITARY organisation, that means we have rules, not all of them liked, but we are all well-aware of the punishments for breaking those rules. If you are not prepared to give up your life to this then I suggest you head to the Job Centre and stop wasting the AFCO's time.
I am also of the opinion that you will, at some stage in the future, smoke cannibis again. You have already admitted to being unable to stay off it after you signed up to a set of rules and, as someone else has said above, when you get back from Afghanistan after a sh!tty det, have a few beers with your mates at home and somebody gets out the magic baccy, you probably will not resist.
I also agree that this does not make you a bad person, you may do astounding work for charity and help nuns to cross the road but your displayed values are not compatable with a career in the military.
Please think carefully about what others on here have said. Life in the current RAF is hard enough without having to worry about the trouble your subordinates are in.
Also don't think that everybody who has been in a while is out of touch with society. Don't forget that we are able to live in the local community, send our children to local schools etc etc. You have asked us not to make assumptions on you and your lifestyle, please give us the respect of not doing the same to us.
No i'm on drugs.
No i won't smoke cannabis again.
There will be need for anyone to worry about me.
I didn't make any assumptions on your lifestyle. Sorry if it seemed like i did, i didn't mean it that way.
Arctine
I wont resort to calling you a c0ck or a pot head or a lying sh1te.
What I will do though is say this, I dont give a flying fcuk whether you think we know whats going on in civillian life 95% of us have very strong ties with civillian life through our families and our homes in the community.
Anyway thats way off the topic. you are trying to get into my gang its not the other way around, in my gang you need to rely on the person beside you 100% of the time even moreso when deployed away. people of all ranks from the lowest to the highest can be in positions that hold other peoples lives in their hands and the last thing any of us want is to rely on someone who has already broken their word once when they quit drugs, you have admitted to that twice now yet seem able to demand that we take your word you have quit for good this time.
End of the day I truly hope you dont get in because if you do I have no doubt you will relapse again and I hope to god I or one of my kind are there to catch you.
P.s I also dont give a flying fcuk what you think about what I have posted because your opinion means nothing to me you arrogant c0cky little gobsh1te.
Thankyou and goodnight.
P.p.s Sorry I resorted to calling you a c0ck
Fair enough but i'm not sorry to say that i will prove you wrong even though you probably won't actually know when i do.
OK I found out how old you are (it's great being a mod) and my friend you are not that much younger than me no matter how old you think I am!!! You may think your part of some young hip generation who knows more than anyone else but your wrong... what your doing is playing the same record that someone else played 10 years ago, you think cos your in with the in crowd your úber cool, you smoke pot and you know people who steal things... woo hoo. What a great person you are............... oh no wait!!
It's about time you woke up and smelt the coffee. I personally think you would not be a great asset to the RAF or in fact any of the services.. as Gem has advised perhaps you should mctrot off to mcdonalds... least when you fall off the wagon next time you'll get plenty of free burgers to quench your munchies!!!
Well ok.
I don't think i'm any of those, man. I don't know more than anyone else, where did you get that from? I was asking a question....
Wow, I have been away for a while, but this is a real hate fest. From what i can gather (and please correct me), the person was contemplating a career, but hadn't actually done it yet.
Just like thousands and thousands of other kids in universties, some of whom may have tried the odd spliff or two, which is what kids do when off the leash.
Its not clever or useful to have a dependency on any chemical (whatever it is - we won't go there right now), but do we really need to pare the tree back that far, so soon?
I don't have any dependencies. Tonight i went round a friend's and everyone there was smoking. Truth be told i was sat there thinking about what it actually was they were doing and asking myself, why the F**K would i want that? Why did i want that?
Being a phase 2 instructor myself I have to say I have no time for anyone who's dabbled in drugs of any variey, unless prescribed, and neither should they be allowed into the armed forces. Here at the west mids sausage factory we have regular visits by the CDT team and they seem to be doing a good job of detecting these little scrotes, which is all good in my book. I really would like to know what trade the smack head waste of skin and oxygen is hoping to become.
In one of his earlier posts acnec0ck says all his mates do it so he felt he had to, well what if they decided to start a suicide pact would he join? In all honesty I wish he would, means it frees up a place for a more deserving person.
I didn't say that, i said it's hard not to do something when you're constantly being submitted to peer pressure. I also said that wasn't an excuse and i regret doing it. Maybe you haven't made any mistakes in your life. I wish i hadn't but i have. This being one of them. At least i do have that regret and i'm sorting it out.
