Drugs test during basics

[Justacabbie]

I personally think the CDT team should be based at Halton so that they can test everyone on PRTC, test them again on Day 1 of RTS and test them every Monday after a weekend break. Weed them out early (pun intended)

I agree! At leconfield CDT hits the trainees around once or twice a month! There is obviously the ability to test high risk locations, and Halton would be one of them. The money spent doing extra testing would be saved in training no hopers who think they can cheat the system.

At sunny Saints we had regular visits too (2-3 a year) which I'm sure was due to the phase 2 trainees. Being a small camp it meant when the tannoy sounded you pretty much knew you were going for a trip to the gym.

 

[stevemartin1991]

Imho I think he should call the afco. Odds are he will use drugs again get kicked out. And the raf will have wasted money/time(which is something they don't have a lot of in these current times) where as there's candidates like me. Never used/never will use drugs who is still waiting on a prtc/rts date. Play the game. But apart from that I believe every1 deserves a second chance....altho you've blown that as you've started and stopped. Anyway all the best in what you decide to do. Steve

 

[NotAnIDOYet]

If you are struggling to resist the temptation now ("if the sh!t wasn't everywhere I go") then how are you going to cope once in the RAF and you go home to visit your mates?

All the liberal do-gooders can go on about how harmless cannabis is but I have seen first hand the mental illness that can go when an individual has problems. It is not nice and certainly not nice to pick up the pieces.

I am not saying that you are a complete waste of skin but please try to put yourself in out position. I too have done 20 years and thankfully have never had to deal with a druggie. However I know how I would react now if one of my flight was caught by CDT.

Please rethink your life, if you even suspect that you may be tempted in the future then don't sign on the line!

 

[cokehead27]

It would appear that Arctine does not have an attest date

For the first time in over 3yrs in recruiting it would appear that a handful of people have been given a PreRTC date without an attest date, we have just encountered the same thing this morning, so for that i owe him an apology

I still stand by my comments that i am very surprised by the remarks about the AFCO assisting him in his other issue, but hey who are we to question his integrity............

 

[Hai Ryar Serig Ger]

Scumbag

Scumbag

A total lack of integrity shown by this moron. Not declaring to his AFCO that he has started using illegal substances shows the kind of lack of moral fibre that is slowly poisoning the RAF. A potential Det Dodger, perpetual whinger and contender for "Most Hard Done By Man in The Air Force Title" in the making, I pity the Flight he is posted to.

 

[chumpzilla]

Scenario

Scenario

Ok, Arctic Monkey (or whatever your name is).

Try this one on for size. You go through Halton, and trade trg and then get to your first unit. While you are going through these phases, you reguarly visit home, but abstain from drug use (as you have promised all of us and yourself).

While on your first unit, you get deployed somewhere really horrible and then you come back on R + R. As an ex junkie with very little moral fibre, how easy would it be for you to relapse into your previous habit?!? Quite easy I'd say, as it would provide an easy means of escape from the reality of getting mortared/attacked.

If you were lucky/dumb enough to smuggle some of your wacky baccy out with you, and say you were intoxicated while on duty, and your actions caused a serious flight safety issue/road traffic accident or any other accident, how quickly do you think that you will be (and others involved) interrogated and investigated for your part and whether you were taking illegal substances? Beer is one while on det at most locations!

As for your comments on peer pressure. That is the weakest arguements I have ever heard! A lot of my friends dabbled in 'recreational' drugs when I was growing up, but it never interested me as my folks brought me up with a sense of what's right and wrong (drugs are bad, if you don't know!)

Like Sausage2 said, if I knew someone was using, I would also report them, because they could be the sole factor that causes the aforementioned potential accident.

I seriously think that you should rethink your priorities in life....

 

[Digzster]

Dude,

If you think the RAF is going to help you kick your habit, or will be sympathetic to your "plight", you are sorely mistaken.

Warwick, you forgot to tell the junkie where sympathy actually lies....... between sh1t & syphilis in the dictionary!

I'm amazed this punter is still thinking of joining up.

 

[Arctine]

It would appear that Arctine does not have an attest date

For the first time in over 3yrs in recruiting it would appear that a handful of people have been given a PreRTC date without an attest date, we have just encountered the same thing this morning, so for that i owe him an apology

I still stand by my comments that i am very surprised by the remarks about the AFCO assisting him in his other issue, but hey who are we to question his integrity............

No problem. I didn't realise it had never happened before now so i also apologise for my reaction.

To all the self-righteous, holier than thou individuals who clearly haven't read everything i've posted, i am returning the notion and ignoring you.

To clarify though, i have informed the AFCO and they have given me appropriate advice. I'm not a "druggie". I don't care if you disagree so don't waste your time calling me one. I haven't smoked weed for almost 6 weeks and i won't smoke it again. I'm a man of my word. Question that if you want, by all means, but you don't know me and even though some of you have been in the air force a long time, you don't know everything there is to know about everything either. I know i won't and i don't care if you don't believe that.

Thank you to those who have been helpful, in one way or another, and to those who have given me good advice.

 

[Hai Ryar Serig Ger]

I have read everything you have posted, and I still think, you're a fecking moron. there is no place for weasels with no moral fibre in the RAF. Jog on tou cretin. Lots of love.

 

[Hai Ryar Serig Ger]

I realise I can't spell, but that isn't a crime, being a pot-head is!!!

 

[Arctine]

I realise I can't spell, but that isn't a crime, being a pot-head is!!!

It's a good job i'm not a "pot-head" then isn't it. Explain to me the whole, lack of moral fiber, thing?

I've admitted to everything i've done wrong and i'm trying to redeem myself despite dip****s like you trying to "put me in my place". Like i said before, you don't know me, stop acting like you do. Your opinion is not important, to anyone, least of all me.

Before anyone tells me my attitude to those who are trying to help me stinks again, this guy is not helping me. Likewise to those who feel like saying the same attitude won't get me far in the RAF, i know it won't. The key point being, i'm not in the RAF yet.

 

[Hai Ryar Serig Ger]

The key point being, i'm not in the RAF yet.

This is my point and I feel a lot of other users point. We do not want any more potential admin burdens joining up. We have enough on our plates at the moment with sandy detatchments and such without having to worry about the integrity of juniors regarding substance missuse.
It seems clear to me from your attitude to this subject that you couldn't care less about the rules and regulations we have in place regarding this issue. You were made well aware of these rules at interview and still took the decision to missuse after this event. I do not wish to "put you in your place" , I am just trying to make you aware that you and you alone are responsible for your actions, and, from what you have said in your posts, I have no doubt that you will willingly take the risk and missuse during your career. This could have serious reprecussions on you or your colleagues, I hope your consience could handle that...........

 

[Arctine]

The key point being, i'm not in the RAF yet.

This is my point and I feel a lot of other users point. We do not want any more potential admin burdens joining up. We have enough on our plates at the moment with sandy detatchments and such without having to worry about the integrity of juniors regarding substance missuse.
It seems clear to me from your attitude to this subject that you couldn't care less about the rules and regulations we have in place regarding this issue. You were made well aware of these rules at interview and still took the decision to missuse after this event. I do not wish to "put you in your place" , I am just trying to make you aware that you and you alone are responsible for your actions, and, from what you have said in your posts, I have no doubt that you will willingly take the risk and missuse during your career. This could have serious reprecussions on you or your colleagues, I hope your consience could handle that...........

This is a result of you not believing I'm able to properly quit. That's fair enough. I don't mind you thinking that, you have no reason not to. It still doesn't mean you have to be a ****.

The thing is though, I KNOW i won't smoke that sh*t again. I don't want to. What i want is to sort myself out and i will. I am. Being in the RAF will only help me along my way. I realise it won't be "the cure" or anything but it will still help me. I won't be any kind of burden because i'm not stupid, i'm not going to smoke weed and i'm most certainly not going to be responsible for endangering anyone's life.

 

[Hai Ryar Serig Ger]

Mate I sincerely hope you do stay off the weed, I really do. I just wouldn't like to think you would slip up again while you are in. A dishonorable discharge never looks good on a CV. I am mearly giving you an honest, personal opinion as to how I feel about this and if I come across a bit s****y, you might consider looking back at your posts and consider how you come across on the thread.

Have a lovely weekend.

 

[Bitburger]

It's a good job i'm not a "pot-head" then isn't it. Explain to me the whole, lack of moral fiber, thing?

I've admitted to everything i've done wrong and i'm trying to redeem myself despite dip****s like you trying to "put me in my place". Like i said before, you don't know me, stop acting like you do. Your opinion is not important, to anyone, least of all me.

Before anyone tells me my attitude to those who are trying to help me stinks again, this guy is not helping me. Likewise to those who feel like saying the same attitude won't get me far in the RAF, i know it won't. The key point being, i'm not in the RAF yet.

I hope and pray that you never will be.

 

[RAF Bird]

I haven't smoked weed for almost 6 weeks and i won't smoke it again. I'm a man of my word.

You have already proved that you are NOT a man of your word. You went to the AFCO, you have been interviewed and you have told them once that you will no longer be taking drugs and yet you went and did it again after your Pre RTC. So again young man I will again question your intergrity.

Question that if you want, by all means, but you don't know me and even though some of you have been in the air force a long time, you don't know everything there is to know about everything either. I know i won't and i don't care if you don't believe that.

Although you do come across on here as a very c0cky and arrogant individual all of your posts have been well worded... untill this bit. What a load of absolute crap. No-one knows everything ever!! Fact!! However most of the people who have posted on this thread have probably forgotten more than you know!!!

Thank you to those who have been helpful, in one way or another, and to those who have given me good advice.

I hope you include me in this. I'm not quite sure you really have rang the AFCO and been HONEST with them, but I stand by my good advice and hope that if you haven't already you will do just that!!

 

[Arctine]

Although you do come across on here as a very c0cky and arrogant individual all of your posts have been well worded... untill this bit. What a load of absolute crap. No-one knows everything ever!! Fact!! However most of the people who have posted on this thread have probably forgotten more than you know!!!

I was referring to the people who seem to think they know better than everyone else about the world because they've been in the RAF for 20 years. They most definitely know more than me about the RAF which is why i have actually listened to them, why people can't see that i don't know?

On another, unrelated topic, i'm not saying this is certainly the case but it seems to me like the world has changed a lot since some of you first joined the RAF. I feel that some of the opinions you guys have on things simply won't work in civilian life anymore? In the same way most of the opinions youthes of today are brought up with aren't suited for the RAF. That raises a question. Which needs to change? I can't answer that but i can tell you, the world isn't going to get any better. Myself, i've already realised that a life in the RAF isn't nothing like a civilian life and that i'm gonna have to change considerably as a person. I just fear in time, people won't be so willing to adapt. I also fear that in 20 years time, or however long it is before i leave, it will be difficult to get to grips with how people live just like i think some of you will. Obviously, i don't know anything about any of you so i could just be talking nonsense. If someone who's been in the RAF could tell me whether they think that's true, i'd be grateful.

 

[RAF Bird]

I was referring to the people who seem to think they know better than everyone else about the world because they've been in the RAF for 20 years. They most definitely know more than me about the RAF which is why i have actually listened to them, why people can't see that i don't know?

On another, unrelated topic, i'm not saying this is certainly the case but it seems to me like the world has changed a lot since some of you first joined the RAF. I feel that some of the opinions you guys have on things simply won't work in civilian life anymore? In the same way most of the opinions youthes of today are brought up with aren't suited for the RAF. That raises a question. Which needs to change? I can't answer that but i can tell you, the world isn't going to get any better. Myself, i've already realised that a life in the RAF isn't nothing like a civilian life and that i'm gonna have to change considerably as a person. I just fear in time, people won't be so willing to adapt. I also fear that in 20 years time, or however long it is before i leave, it will be difficult to get to grips with how people live just like i think some of you will. Obviously, i don't know anything about any of you so i could just be talking nonsense. If someone who's been in the RAF could tell me whether they think that's true, i'd be grateful.

I dont really understand what you mean here. Most of that post makes no sence and you just to be rambling on.

I think you are very much mistaken however if you really believe that because we have been in the military we no longer have a concept of what is happening in the world?? Or that times have changed. We all know times have changed but they haven't changed so much that it is now socially acceptable to just go around taking drugs. Tell me when you were smoking them did you saunter around doing so or was it in a house somewhere with your mates!

What doesn't change is the fact that it is illegal to take drugs and that there is no place for them in the Armed Forces.

 

[Arctine]

I dont really understand what you mean here. Most of that post makes no sence and you just to be rambling on.

I think you are very much mistaken however if you really believe that because we have been in the military we no longer have a concept of what is happening in the world?? Or that times have changed. We all know times have changed but they haven't changed so much that it is now socially acceptable to just go around taking drugs. Tell me when you were smoking them did you saunter around doing so or was it in a house somewhere with your mates!

What doesn't change is the fact that it is illegal to take drugs and that there is no place for them in the Armed Forces.

That's the thing though. I think you'd be surprised about how much really has changed. I'm not saying you're not fully aware of the world outside the RAF at all but let me put it like this; you frown upon any drug use whatsoever. Fair enough. Ultimately, you're right, there's no need for it but where i'm from, if i told people i'd quit weed for 6 weeks and don't plan on smoking it again i'd get laughed at. You'd get laughed at. It's not right but that's how much the world has changed since you were probably growing up.

Another question, i'd imagine after a while in the RAF you'd have some sort of authority over a fair few people. It's your job to keep people in line and i don't doubt that they don't question any of your orders. If you went to my neighborhood and for instance, walked into a shop and saw some kids stealing sweets. I'm not saying you would or wouldn't have a go at them, i don't actually know what you'd do but if you did, they'd tell you to F**K off. After however many years of having power over people and being able to make them do what you want because you feel it's right, how would you feel?

I'm not staying stealing is right at all in case some of you misinterpret what i mean. It's just an example i can base my question on.

 

[Hai Ryar Serig Ger]

The RAF is all about standards, if some young thugs give me a mouthful for telling them off, it says more about their lack of respect for other people’s property and is indicative of the poor standards that most young people have nowadays. I joined the RAF 15 years ago and weed was just as readily available as it is now, I chose not to waste my time and money on it, living on a deprived council estate was bad enough without living up to the dope head dosser stereotype as well, so you don't have the monopoly in the being brought up on i a crap area stakes. I haven’t lived in a cage all these years and to insinuate that we are unaware as to what is happening in the "real" world yet is yet again a massive display of ignorance and arrogance on your part. What kind of response were you thinking you would get when you initially posted? As I said, we live our service lives by a set of standards and core values that most civilians don't. IF you make it through training and complete a few years service, maybe you will realise that us old, out-of-touch, institutionalised old farts actually have a point!
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