Private Police forces

[grumpyoldb]

My point being...........As a plod I cover one hell of a large area single manned

I live in Gtr Man, and have never seen a police response "single manned".

PCSO's go around in two's..........during the day. We do not see them in the evenings or at weekends. I have been threatened by a neighbour with a weapon because he was beating his dog with a peice of 3x2 and I intervened. My wife phoned GMPA and three days later, we were still getting phone calls saying, "I'm sorry, we still have no-one available to attend".
A week later, an inspector called to ask if we would like to make a complaint!

Would someone please explain to me where the problem is if our police force cannot respond within 3 day's.

"Leuchars QRA...................you have two Bears inbound.
FFS! It's Friday afternoon. We'll go up and have a look on Monday."

 

[R_Squared]

I really am struggling to see what the arguments against private security firms patrolling streets from our blue brethren on here are TBH.

They are not replacing the police, or assuming any of their powers or responsibilities. If anything, the fact that there will be areas that have beefed up security measures, paid for by the residents, should be welcomed by the police.

It may allow them to concentrate their resources where they are needed more surely?

If anything, these communities should be recognised for taking a positive steps to discourage criminal behaviour.

By the sounds of it though, some officers may think that it is somehow "not right" but are vague about exactly why this is so.

 

[Dave-exfairy]

I really am struggling to see what the arguments against private security firms patrolling streets from our blue brethren on here are TBH.

They are not replacing the police, or assuming any of their powers or responsibilities. If anything, the fact that there will be areas that have beefed up security measures, paid for by the residents, should be welcomed by the police.

It may allow them to concentrate their resources where they are needed more surely?

If anything, these communities should be recognised for taking a positive steps to discourage criminal behaviour.

By the sounds of it though, some officers may think that it is somehow "not right" but are vague about exactly why this is so.

Would you allow an untrained person to work on your car? Or aircraft just before you fly away on holiday? Don't think so, ok so it's a bit OTT, but it's exactly the same as allowing these people out on the streets and if you think that your average chav is going to be frightened by these people then you are very much sadly mistaken.

 

[grumpyoldb]

Would you allow an untrained person to work on your car? Or aircraft just before you fly away on holiday? Don't think so, ok so it's a bit OTT, but it's exactly the same as allowing these people out on the streets and if you think that your average chav is going to be frightened by these people then you are very much sadly mistaken.

It's better then the square root of fcuk all. which is what GMPA appears to be in the evenings when we need them!

 

[R_Squared]

I wouldn't expect them to be untrained. I would expect them to undergo at least a basic level of security training. I would also expect the company to be regulated in some way that ensures a basic standard of training and competency.

I also doubt very much that anyone is going to be scared of them, however, the point isn't to instill fear, merely to have someone there who's entire job is to keep an eye on what's going on, and deal with it appropriately.

A Tesco's security guard is an analogy that fits here. They have no powers beyond a normal civilian, observing what's happened, and attempting to stop it, or detain the offenders until the police arrive.

As long as they have been trained and act in a way that is legal, what is the problem?

 

[Vushtrri]

I live in Gtr Man, and have never seen a police response "single manned".


"Leuchars QRA...................you have two Bears inbound.
FFS! It's Friday afternoon. We'll go up and have a look on Monday."

and your point is?.....are you saying that I do not work single manned ?


I do not profess to know how decisions are made regarding the working practices of the forces..... decisions that are regularly derided in this forum because of the effect they have on personel and their ability to carry out their duties..I am sure they have changed considerably over the last 20 years since I left.........What I do know however is that I have enough common sense to realise that your 'other ranks and NCO's' aren't the policy makers ...............If you have any gripes with our working practices take them up with the bosses who change them every few years as a means towards promotion.

 

[grumpyoldb]

and your point is?.....are you saying that I do not work single manned ?


I do not profess to know how decisions are made regarding the working practices of the forces..... decisions that are regularly derided in this forum because of the effect they have on personel and their ability to carry out their duties..I am sure they have changed considerably over the last 20 years since I left.........What I do know however is that I have enough common sense to realise that your 'other ranks and NCO's' aren't the policy makers ...............If you have any gripes with our working practices take them up with the bosses who change them every few years as a means towards promotion.

My point is that GMP keep telling us that there is no-one available to respond. Why then, at least in my neck of the woods, are ALL vehicles double manned?
Split them down to one per vehicle and you have doubled your response resources. If they need help at an incident they can then call for back up.

Or are the streets not safe for police to be out on their own?

 

[Globalranger]

Here's another thought: what if some unscrupulous practices are carried out such as protection racket, the security firm hires some loons to frighten the locals and then demand money in the guise of "pay us and we'll get rid of them"