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OK,

to start with, I joined in 1986 at the time is was the 1.5 mile that was used as the fitness test, with individuals having to achieve this in under 11 mins. From then I was tested annually until I left the RAF at the start of this year. I did fail some tests but mostly I passed. I was not a sport billy, nor was I a couch potato, just a reasonably active individual.

Now during that 22 years I was pretty much always on squadrons as an engineer. As squadrons generally deploy together you are always working with people you know. In all that time one thing I recall especially in the more recent years is that when going some-where hot the one's who suffer the worst are the 'fatties', by saying fatties I mean those who were unable or unwilling to pass their fitness test. I knew many physically oversize people who did pass the test and also coped with heat well and I did not call them fatties.

In my final few years as a snec again the Squadron would deploy as a whole regardless of fitness test 'pass/fail' status of individuals. In these last few years without fail every year some people would be off sick with heat related illness when deployed. Without fail it was always those who had failed thier fitness tests that ended up ill.

Now drawing from this I'm guessing that fitter people are better able to cope with heat. Physiologically the heart copes better as does the rest of the body. Could this be why with so many hot detachments on the go the RAF and Army and Navy want fit individuals.

I hated the fitness test but it is a standard and one that must be passed. If you don't like your 'Terms and Conditions of Employment' do like I , and so many others have done and leave. However if you choose to leave be warned, while civil employers may not fitness test you if you perform in the lackadaisical manner so many seemed happy to while I was in the mob, you won't have a job for long. The old joke 'I'm off to work for a living' is no joke, enjoy what you have while you have it.

During my 22 years I failed to find any section that really was maxed out from the minute they arrived to the minute they left, or that couldn't get a brew almost constantly or all those other things we forget out way the inconveniences of a fitness test.

Finally has any-one thought that the fitness test may now be twice a year as it gives people a reminder of the need to train rather than putting it off till the annual event and then failing. Given a few cycles of the bi-annual test I believe failure figures will drop as people focus on the need to have at least a basic level of fitness.

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jeebunit

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people have no excuses to fail a fitness test other than for legitimate injuries. its part of every service persons duty to stay fit. if people cant be bothered and end up fat wasters they deserve to be kicked out. good ridance i say, it embarasses me when i see the state of some people in the raf sort it out fatties, its not fair on the rest of us having to cover your dwrs
 

Twiggles

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I smoke 20 a day, havent been to the Gym in 6 months, sit on my arse as much as possible and still passed my fitness test the other day. I aint a fattie, just your average skinny little lazy ****, and yes I found it difficult to get through the bleep test. What gets me though is the young lads who dont smoke cant pass it yet I can. All it takes is a few minutes of hard graft and some will power to push yourself those last couple levels, after that the pressups and situps are a piece of ****.

Its also highlighted to me that paying a visit to the gym twice a week might not be such a bad idea :pDT_Xtremez_14:
 

Webbo

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do a lot of linys fail this test?


None of my linies failed this year (September 2009):pDT_Xtremez_30:


2 PT sessions a week, and I think it pays off.


And the fittest liney drinks every night and smokes 20 a day and he ran to level 14.


Fitness test is all in the mind, even I passed (level 9.4) and i'm SLIGHTY over weight and do no more than play football twice a week.:pDT_Xtremez_30:
 
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What's the bloody point?

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I have just been to the station briefing for line managers with regard to the new fitness regime for those who are unsuccesful when undertaking the fitness test. All seems straightforward to me. Allow time for people to do personal physical exercise where possible. Have a chat with PTI's and P1 about what is happening regarding progress and then I take disciplinary action against offender.

Hang on a minute. I TAKE DISCIPLINARY ACTION?

The person who has failed is under the direction of PTI's. If he/she fails to make the grade why am I undertaking disciplinary action? Surely the PTI (who's program he/she is under) should take the P1 action as he/she is not meeting the PTI's standard.

No, says OCPMS, the PTI is there to support the welfare of the individual so will not be taking P1 action.

OK then love. If my SAC fails in his primary duty and some excrement hits the air circulator will a PTI take disciplinary action for me because as a line manager I am responsible for the welfare of my SAC?

If a member of my staff is failing in their primary role then I will have no hesitation in correcting their performance.

If I see any SAC walking around in uniform with their hands in pockets I will endeavour to let them know where their hands should be. I would expect any NCO to undertake the same course of action.

So Mr PTI, if you cannot get a failing airman (of any rank or trade) to pass your fitness test after undertaking your remedial programme, you discipline them and I will comment on it in their SJAR if required.
 
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raflad67

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WTBP, I totally agree. You have hit the nail right on the head.

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Absolutely agree.

You would of thought (obviously naively!) that this new procedure would have a built-in mechanism for all this and therefore negate the need for line managers to do the dirty deed!

Unbelievable.

Obviously PTI's have far more important things to do.....but at this moment in time I cannot think of any.
 

Mug?

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I agree too

I agree too

Obviously PTI's have far more important things to do.....but at this moment in time I cannot think of any.

What as well as running beasting sessions for those that fail you want them to do paperwork....using, like a pen and paper or a computer? Will that mean they have to read too?

What's the bloody point? Is using the common sense approach.

I see the lawyers playing their part here, and reason on the charge sheet will be more along the lines of bad attitude and lack of motivation.

That way you cannot sue the PTI for loss of earnings cos THEY never got you up the standard.
 

muttywhitedog

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The Airships are targetting the wrong category!!!

The Airships are targetting the wrong category!!!

Some interesting stats here:

http://www.archive.official-documents.co.uk/document/cm41/4177/chap-01.htm

http://www.statistics.gov.uk/cci/nugget.asp?id=1091

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/3416041/Obesity-kills-more-than-9000-Britons-a-year.html

Smoking is far and away the biggest killer, with obesity & alcohol-related deaths almost equal.

So, I wonder if the persecution of those who like the odd pie and a pint should be put off in favour of booting out all those smokers who are 13 times more likely to die as a result of their habit.
 
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effinhell

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Having not been to a briefing, are they saying that after failing a RAFFT the formal interview will be conducted by line managers?

Isn't a FW prepared by P1?

Surely not too much to worry about, you can't be THAT busy unless your section is full of these under achievers?
 

Realist78

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Having not been to a briefing, are they saying that after failing a RAFFT the formal interview will be conducted by line managers?

Isn't a FW prepared by P1?

Surely not too much to worry about, you can't be THAT busy unless your section is full of these under achievers?

The 'Formal Interview' will normally be carried out by the PEd staff. A Formal Interview is not a Formal Warning.:pDT_Xtremez_19:
 
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effinhell

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Sorry I wasn't clear; I was making 2 points.

1. Interview will take all of 5 mins.

2. FW is prepared by P1?

So surely not that much work

P1 on the other hand maybe a little busier although a FW for this apparent attitude towards fitness/failure will generally be similar.
 

Goatherdingsplitter

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Sorry I wasn't clear; I was making 2 points.

1. Interview will take all of 5 mins.

2. FW is prepared by P1?

So surely not that much work

P1 on the other hand maybe a little busier although a FW for this apparent attitude towards fitness/failure will generally be similar.

The formal interview comes pre-printed with the MAA paperwork with blanks for specifics at my Unit. It takes a damn site more than 5 minutes; requires a brief interview to inform the subject that MAA is being taken, reviewing officers sanction (despite being pre-determined), a witness for the FI and then the individual gets time in which to formulate a response. None of this takes place until I see a report from the PTIs (without any cut & paste or other mistakes which seem to be prevalent). If they can't get the details correct, as far as I'm concerned it is akin to false evidence:pDT_Xtremez_25:
 
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What's the bloody point?

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Sorry I wasn't clear; I was making 2 points.

1. Interview will take all of 5 mins.

2. FW is prepared by P1?

So surely not that much work

P1 on the other hand maybe a little busier although a FW for this apparent attitude towards fitness/failure will generally be similar.

Gym tell P1 that someone has failed. P1 prepare paperwork. Flt Cdr interviews failee. Then paperwork goes from Gym to P1 to LM who is the one whose name goes on the disciplinary action.

At no point as far as I can see do the PTI's get their hands dirty by being NCO's and repremanding people who fail.

Must be nice to have all that money without the responsibilities!
 
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What's the bloody point?

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The 'Formal Interview' will normally be carried out by the PEd staff. A Formal Interview is not a Formal Warning.:pDT_Xtremez_19:

Sorry, not what they said today. The PEd staff are there to mentor and guide but not to discipline.
 
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What's the bloody point?

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Surely not too much to worry about, you can't be THAT busy unless your section is full of these under achievers?

I am busy but that is another issue! If I had to take any action against one of my staff who was in need of feedback I would work late and make sure it was done. I take umbrage with having to undertake disciplinary action for another NCO against someone who has not failed in their professional duties. I know we all have to be fit. But I would expect the SME to undertake some spinal courage and do it themselves.

I manage those under my care with regard to what I, as a SME, am responsible for, I expect PTI's to do the same!
 
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effinhell

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I am busy but that is another issue! If I had to take any action against one of my staff who was in need of feedback I would work late and make sure it was done. I take umbrage with having to undertake disciplinary action for another NCO against someone who has not failed in their professional duties. I know we all have to be fit. But I would expect the SME to undertake some spinal courage and do it themselves.

I manage those under my care with regard to what I, as a SME, am responsible for, I expect PTI's to do the same!

Fair one. Having read/received more info I fully agree - to not have the gym queens wholly administer this is wrong. Jesus, all they will do is the usual testing, keep the records and supply the failures with a badly printed remedial workout. UNBELIEVABLE.

Anyway, I look forward to seeing the stats on this in the coming months!
 

Mug?

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where?

where?

Fair one. Having read/received more info I fully agree - to not have the gym queens wholly administer this is wrong. Jesus, all they will do is the usual testing, keep the records and supply the failures with a badly printed remedial workout. UNBELIEVABLE.

Anyway, I look forward to seeing the stats on this in the coming months!

What remedial workout? they just get told to turn up to punishment circuits near where I live. No interview, no advice, just a formal warning if you don't turn up.
 
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