Continuation !!!!

[hammy4190]

Looked today out of no particular interest at the volunteers section Airship command on the Intranet. Imagine to my suprise when I see in amongst the usual VR posts one that said in the basic of terms anyone any rank any trade on 22yrs service or more is welcome to apply for continuation of up to 3 Years.

This apparently being offered to get our lords and masters out of a fix in short to medium term manning problems, wot no cash sweetner?

Personally I won't miss a step as I quick march into civvie street with my pension soon.DT_Xtremez_31:

 

[MontyPlumbs]

Looked today out of no particular interest at the volunteers section Airship command on the Intranet. Imagine to my suprise when I see in amongst the usual VR posts one that said in the basic of terms anyone any rank any trade on 22yrs service or more is welcome to apply for continuation of up to 3 Years.

This apparently being offered to get our lords and masters out of a fix in short to medium term manning problems, wot no cash sweetner?

Personally I won't miss a step as I quick march into civvie street with my pension soon.DT_Xtremez_31:

Agreed, what planet are these people on? Very few will accept the few extra years of service unless desperate to stay in or very close to promotion. I can't see them being inundated myself.

 

[glen]

Out of general interest where abouts on ACOS manning page is this?

 

[Sospan]

Its a very strange move in my opinion. There must be a more radical way of keeping experience. Will anybody other than the statisticians and a few individuals benefit from this ? It will be another promotion blocker. If you cant get promoted in 22 perhaps you never will.

 

[Chad Norman]

Its a very strange move in my opinion. There must be a more radical way of keeping experience. Will anybody other than the statisticians and a few individuals benefit from this ? It will be another promotion blocker. If you cant get promoted in 22 perhaps you never will.

It is a strange move fella, strikes of desperation, but for some guys it will probably be very welcome! You must know what it is like in some of the trades (Aircraft trades a good example), promotion to Sgt and beyond can be very hard to come by. If we were in the Army/Navy then I would agree with your 'never will' comment.

The RAF bigwigs are obviously getting very twitchy and who knows, sometime soon they might even release the actual PVR figures!!!!!

Personally, I'm glad my 22 is approaching fast. Had a blast but time to move on. Too many guys not getting recognised for their efforts and voteing with their feet.

Friendly Clown

Chad

 

[Sospan]

It is a strange move fella, strikes of desperation, but for some guys it will probably be very welcome! You must know what it is like in some of the trades (Aircraft trades a good example), promotion to Sgt and beyond can be very hard to come by. If we were in the Army/Navy then I would agree with your 'never will' comment.

The RAF bigwigs are obviously getting very twitchy and who knows, sometime soon they might even release the actual PVR figures!!!!!

Personally, I'm glad my 22 is approaching fast. Had a blast but time to move on. Too many guys not getting recognised for their efforts and voteing with their feet.

Friendly Clown

Chad

I think that was a legacy of old, the latest generations certainly haven't had this problem.

The whole idea of continuance is another plan Z. Why don't the do more to keep people in that are turning down LOS 30 ? Try and keep the people in that actually achieved something not the people that didn't. We will be stuck with deadwood blocking promotion and back in exactly the same position in 3 years time.

I have a few mates who are stuck on the board at the 16 year point. If this effects them and puts them back another few years it will and knock on effects in x amount of years time when they miss out on 55 due to a cock up in 2008. We have seen too many quick fixes come back and bite us. DT_Xtremez_41:

 

[sparks will fly]

I browsed over this today I'm sure it said only if your 22 was up by 2010. Mine is up in 2012 and I can not wait. I feel more like a sh1t buffer than a ground techie and it's only getting worse

 

[ElTenEleven]

It is a strange move fella, strikes of desperation, but for some guys it will probably be very welcome! You must know what it is like in some of the trades (Aircraft trades a good example), promotion to Sgt and beyond can be very hard to come by. If we were in the Army/Navy then I would agree with your 'never will' comment.

The RAF bigwigs are obviously getting very twitchy and who knows, sometime soon they might even release the actual PVR figures!!!!!

Personally, I'm glad my 22 is approaching fast. Had a blast but time to move on. Too many guys not getting recognised for their efforts and voteing with their feet.

Friendly Clown

Chad

Thanks Chad!!!!

 

[detmonkey]

An old mate of mine who had just got his chief 12 months prior to finishing LOS 30 and would not have got his full pension had it not been for the 3 year continuance. RAF need to plan for the future many years from now, not for tomorrow and the day after.

 

[SgtScribbly]

continuance is not a new thing, its been around for ages, it's just that acos manning are advertising it a bit more cos it might help them short term with their manning crisis

 

[MontyPlumbs]

continuance is not a new thing, its been around for ages, it's just that acos manning are advertising it a bit more cos it might help them short term with their manning crisis

I wouldn't count on it! I think the rot is pretty much irreversible. Still, at least Glenn got another award recently, good effort on his part, I'm sure further backslapping will ensue.

 

[Sospan]

continuance is not a new thing, its been around for ages, it's just that acos manning are advertising it a bit more cos it might help them short term with their manning crisis

Help or hinder ? Are the people who will except continuance the people we want in the service ? This is not the answer.DT_Xtremez_25:

There needs to be some serious shift in policy if they want to ensure manning requirements are met in coming years. I.E the correct numbers and more importantly the right people. Lets not just extend somebody for numbers sake. If the person is worth his salt then so be it, get him extended.

 

[MontyPlumbs]

Help or hinder ? Are the people who will except continuance the people we want in the service ? This is not the answer.DT_Xtremez_25:

There needs to be some serious shift in policy if they want to ensure manning requirements are met in coming years. I.E the correct numbers and more importantly the right people. Lets not just extend somebody for numbers sake. If the person is worth his salt then so be it, get him extended.

That is the sentiment of the masses mate, but the idiots in charge are looking at graphs and figures - to them a body is a body, whether its a 6 month LAC or a 25 year Flight Sergeant - this is the tragic truth of it. I'm of the same opinion that, by and large, the few taking continuance are the people who can't make it/scared of civvy strasse. Obviously there will be exceptions, but it shouldn't be part of any sort of manning policy.

 

[SgtScribbly]

its not the drafters that have cause the manning problems is it? its the general derioration of service life which is driving people to leave.

there is a real problem now, so they are using everything they can to help in the short term such as continuance and ringing up people in their last few weeks asking what it would take to stay. there will undoubedly be other strategies for the longer term, such as increasing the amount of recruiters we have

less people in means more work for everyone else including OOAs etc so i welcome them trying - even if it wont work!

 

[Sospan]

its not the drafters that have cause the manning problems is it? its the general derioration of service life which is driving people to leave.

there is a real problem now, so they are using everything they can to help in the short term such as continuance and ringing up people in their last few weeks asking what it would take to stay. there will undoubedly be other strategies for the longer term, such as increasing the amount of recruiters we have

less people in means more work for everyone else including OOAs etc so i welcome them trying - even if it wont work!

I don't think anybody is blaming the drafters they are only doing their job. Its the root cause of the problem that needs to be addressed.

 

[MontyPlumbs]

its not the drafters that have cause the manning problems is it? its the general derioration of service life which is driving people to leave.

there is a real problem now, so they are using everything they can to help in the short term such as continuance and ringing up people in their last few weeks asking what it would take to stay. there will undoubedly be other strategies for the longer term, such as increasing the amount of recruiters we have

less people in means more work for everyone else including OOAs etc so i welcome them trying - even if it wont work!

I'm not blaming the drafters either. You can only work with what you have got, I'm blaming the bumbling idiots in charge of this whole fiasco.

 

[SgtScribbly]

i was just trying to point out that this is not a new thing, its not something the bigwigs have just made up. it more than likely the idea came from within acos manning to advertise it a bit more to help them out.

 

[BillyBunter]

Well with the stats today that civvy street in the UK has about 43000 engineering vacancies with only 23000 filled , Money is a good sweetner and these companies will pay for our services.

Sorry to go on about aircraft trades, I dont know how else and what feeling other trades think of this idea, interesting to hear though

 

[busby1971]

In or Out You Decide

In or Out You Decide

Most industries on the outside will pay you more than the RAF will, as long as you are the right kind of person and can manage to find your right level.

However for the rest there is Continuance.

Not an option for me at the moment a few too many months to do, however, having had my career really messed about by the introduction of JPA and now an artificial restriction on promotion to combat those walking out the door (and not coming in through the door either), I feel that I'll do better on the outside.

Not personally bitter, I've enjoyed my time had some great experiences that I would never had the option to have if I had not joined up, in a job I want to be in, which is now my last tour (not really had a bad posting looking back).

Good luck to those that Stay and to those that are looking for a change.

 

[justintime129]

This might be Off Topic if you PVR do you give the RAF any feedback on why you are leaving when you go. If not this could be summat for the airships to look at. But then again any feedback would most probably fall on death ears.