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Now I freely admit I'm not very good at politics, find it hard to understand etc but I'm curious to why nothing has been done about this situation. I have started to read a book about this and have spoken to my mum who has also read the book.

China has been in Tibet for over 40 years now, all due to them thinking that the Tibetans not being suitable people, they have been forcibly sterilising any female over the age of 14 (doctors have been given quotas to achieve) and they have also been aborting babies of women who already have one or more children, if these babies are born then they are drowned in a bucket. The Dalai Lama, along with numerous others, have been exiled from their own country. This being a predominantly Buddhist country I do not understand the threat that China felt from them.

This has been going on a lot longer than the Iran/Iraq/Kuwait/Afghanistan situation and I'm curious to the reason no one has thought this to be unacceptable. China is a Communist state and it seems to be the only one in the world that is accepted - possibly due to the size of it but never the less any other country that is seen to be developing in this manner is viewed as a problem and a threat.

Currently China seems to be supporting the world financially, is this the reason that no one will take a stand against them? I know that there are millions of them and their army is the largest in the world with regard to active troops and this would be a hell of a task to take on but why is it acceptable to leave Tibet to this fate?

Has no one done anything because they fear the retaliation they would receive or due to the fact that the finance would disappear? Is it purely a political reason for abandoning these people?

Sorry if this sounds like a ramble but I am truly interested in this and the book is "Tears of Blood : A Cry for Tibet" - Mary Craig
 
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Dont't know much about the history of this one. They don't have anything of value I'm afraid. Harsh but true. Look at Zimbabwe for instance. Nothing of value. Who cares??? If Uncle George Bush and his cronies don't see anything in it for them we won't go. Years ago in Afghanistan during the Russian invasion, the Yanks were hoping to build a major oil pipeline through the North of the country to god knows where (with oil from Siberia????). Sierra Leone. We were there to save the diamond trade....er I mean the people. Cynical...you bet!!!Iraq...Oil. Iran...Oil. Looking good for having WMDs at the moment if Iraq can get sorted out. Tibet..Nada. Poor buggers!! Moralistic foreign policies...yeah right!!!

Add to that the financial economic muscle like you say that China are flexing!!
 
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pie sandwich

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Same reason why we have never gone in and given Robert mugabe 6 of the best, no oil!!



R.J.L beat me to it
 
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Agree with all of the above. Unless it is going to (potentially) harm the economies, or strategic interests of the West, these sorts of issues will be ignored.
 
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pie sandwich

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You could put money on the fact that everyone in the armed forces and general public would have been more than happy to go in to Zimbabwe(sp) or go into tibet and do some good for something worth while.
 
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pie sandwich said:
You could put money on the fact that everyone in the armed forces and general public would have been more than happy to go in to Zimbabwe(sp) or go into tibet and do some good for something worth while.
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Agreed but we don't get to make these decisions I guess, thanks guys you've confirmed what I thought. The joys of living with spineless leaders, there has to be something in it for them I guess, looking after other human beings isn't enough. ::p:
 
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tats said:
looking after other human beings isn't enough. ::p:
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That doesn't pay as well as a barrel of oil.....and to be brutally honest we have too many anyway....I think a mass cull is a good idea....lets start with the yanks....

Crack on..................:pDT_Xtremez_09:
 
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The reason is China's military power and at the time, the west could not rely on the soviet block not to back up their like minded neighbours. It would also have been probable that if a war had gone badly for the west, China's empire would now include evrything from Iran and Afganistan, maybe all of the middle east, Pakistan, India right the way across to Indonesia and threatening/including Australia and New Zealand. So at the end of the day, would it have been worth an all out global war for the sake of western morals? Unfortunately for Tibet it isn't, I feel for the Tibetans but doing something wasn't really an option.
 
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I agree with your Devil's Advocate approach completely Plumber. We sometimes forget that when the Cold War was 'raging' that the World was in effect a safer place. We only have to look at the break up of Yugoslavia and in effect Iraq to understand that the moral high ground for certain countries is not always the right approach. The only real theatre we could influence without antagonising other major powers would be Zimbabwe but that would no doubt upset countries nearby such as South Africa. The continent of Africa now has to sort out it's own affairs.
 
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It's also worth remembering that China is a permanent member of the UN Security Council and, as such, can veto any resolution ordering it out of Tibet. China is not threatening our national interests directly (oil again) and they produce something like half of the world's socks (a population without socks would never do). Look around the shops and see what else is made in China - maybe as many as half of the non-consumable items we buy in any given week. Why? Cheap labour. If we cut ties with China over Tibet and bought only stuff manufactured in Europe the prices on the High Street would sky-rocket and our economy would collapse - maybe irrevocably.

Forget what is morally right, ultimately all the world's political leaders care only about things that get them into office and keep them there. Sad, but true.
 
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True Blue Jack said:
It's also worth remembering that China is a permanent member of the UN Security Council and, as such, can veto any resolution ordering it out of Tibet. China is not threatening our national interests directly (oil again) and they produce something like half of the world's socks (a population without socks would never do). Look around the shops and see what else is made in China - maybe as many as half of the non-consumable items we buy in any given week. Why? Cheap labour. If we cut ties with China over Tibet and bought only stuff manufactured in Europe the prices on the High Street would sky-rocket and our economy would collapse - maybe irrevocably.

Forget what is morally right, ultimately all the world's political leaders care only about things that get them into office and keep them there. Sad, but true.
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That was what I thought, but I wanted to see if I was right first time for everything!!
 
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Seymour Tw@tt

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tats said:
Now I freely admit I'm not very good at politics, find it hard to understand etc but I'm curious to why nothing has been done about this situation. I have started to read a book about this and have spoken to my mum who has also read the book.

China has been in Tibet for over 40 years now, all due to them thinking that the Tibetans not being suitable people, they have been forcibly sterilising any female over the age of 14 (doctors have been given quotas to achieve) and they have also been aborting babies of women who already have one or more children, if these babies are born then they are drowned in a bucket. The Dalai Lama, along with numerous others, have been exiled from their own country. This being a predominantly Buddhist country I do not understand the threat that China felt from them.

This has been going on a lot longer than the Iran/Iraq/Kuwait/Afghanistan situation and I'm curious to the reason no one has thought this to be unacceptable. China is a Communist state and it seems to be the only one in the world that is accepted - possibly due to the size of it but never the less any other country that is seen to be developing in this manner is viewed as a problem and a threat.

Currently China seems to be supporting the world financially, is this the reason that no one will take a stand against them? I know that there are millions of them and their army is the largest in the world with regard to active troops and this would be a hell of a task to take on but why is it acceptable to leave Tibet to this fate?

Has no one done anything because they fear the retaliation they would receive or due to the fact that the finance would disappear? Is it purely a political reason for abandoning these people?

Sorry if this sounds like a ramble but I am truly interested in this and the book is "Tears of Blood : A Cry for Tibet" - Mary Craig
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Hmmm not sure if this is the same Mary Craig who is a religious zealot and has written some very overtly christian books on some biblebashing themes.

Having said all that the west is very handy at ignoring acts of repression all throughout the world where there are no gains for capitalism. Viz Zimbabwe, etc as detailed...

Mind you lest we forget, the British invaded Tibet in 1904 when they were responsible for the deaths of more than 5000 Tibetans, thanks to a headstrong Colonel Younghusband who was determined to make a name for himself (sound familiar?). This invasion was under the (incorrect) pretence that Russia was trying to find a foothold in that part of the world. The Chinese kicked the Brits out in a treaty in 1907...

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It seems that the situation in Tibet is politely noted but publicly ignored. A few public figures have championed their plight (Richard Gere), and the Dalai Lama has made some very public world tours, but unfortunately to no avail.

A few years ago I trekked around India & made a point of visiting Dharamsala to see the Tibetians & exiled Dalai Lama and if anyone is ever in that area I can thoroughly recommend a stay there. Tibetians who 'escape' the Chinese persecution often pass through there and there is a presentation of the past and present atrocities.

It should be noted that whilst Tibet isn't noted for Black Gold reserves, it does have the largest deposits of Uranium.

As nothing much is happening with regard to Tibet it is felt that as a result of an aggressive programme, native Tibetians will be 'breed' out. Which for a race of peaceful, deeply religious people is outrageous.

If your interested http://www.savetibet.org/index.php has some of the latest news on what is happening.
 
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auchtermuchty

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We couldnt square up to china at the moment even if we wanted to!
 
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Plumber said:
Not sure of how much this is making the news over in the UK.

http://news.aol.co.uk/china-accused-over-tibet-protests/article/20080316080209990004


So what do you think is going to happen? Is the world going to turn another blind eye to China or are we going to force China to adopt a different stance towards Tibet.
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Could be a tad difficult. The only method of persuasion could be some form of trade embargo given that virtually everything is made there. That may hurt the international community though so will probably not even be considered.:pDT_Xtremez_09:
 
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