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Bring On Cold War (II)
- Thread starter sumps
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Indeed, we wanted to use the old AWOC at Leeming as a music club (perfectly sound proofed we thought) a couple of years ago and were told it was condemned!!! I doubt any of the fuelling systems in the HAS's would be any good now either.
Tashy - I read a book a few years back about the profileration of arms during the Cold war and the methods of assessing (or guessing) the strength of the enemy could make for a good Monty Python sketch!!
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Seymour Tw@tt
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It has always been our folly to underestimate the Russians and their ability to take massive amounts of cr@p. They're very patriotic, and believe me any attempt by Putin to re-elevate them back onto the world stage will be warmly received at home. Churchill in his memoirs of WW2 warned of the Russian demeanour.
Their weapon systems are excellent, very hardy and efficient, and they won't take the cr@p that Yel'tsin used to take on the chin. And who can blame them? Did you hear that stupid cow Rice at the weekend blustering on about human rights in Russia? Look closer to home love! No, the Russians aren't mucking about as regards the yank missile system - invasions of the Russian Motherland have invariably come from the west... we're in for the long haul on this one...
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Their weapon systems are excellent, very hardy and efficient, and they won't take the cr@p that Yel'tsin used to take on the chin. And who can blame them? Did you hear that stupid cow Rice at the weekend blustering on about human rights in Russia? Look closer to home love! No, the Russians aren't mucking about as regards the yank missile system - invasions of the Russian Motherland have invariably come from the west... we're in for the long haul on this one...
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Rich_P
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Can someone post the news item for me? Because it refuses to load at this end.
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mad_mo
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Same here. It appears they have removed it.
Don't say you weren't warned, the provocation of former USSR states has been going on for a while, and with the exception of the Baltic states, a resumption of the USSR (pt 2) isn't out of the question at all.
Do you really think? I'd have thought that after having a taste of freedom, it would be harder to control these new free-thinking states. Don't forget that the USSR was originally born out of a hatred of the Czars by poor, uneducated fuedal inhabitants and the breakaway states are now much better eductated, not to mention "once bitten, twice shy". Add to this the ongoing war in Chechnya and the fact that there are still some further minorities that want independance from Russia, I reckon they would want to concentrate on fighting us than dealing with additional internal conflicts.
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Rich_P
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Seems not. It looks like the whole website is down. DT_Xtremez_09:
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Seymour Tw@tt
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That was the spark to the initial explosion, but there are considerably a lot more worse off in the former USSR states than those better off. Nationalism won't pay for the groceries or stand up to the big boys for too long. There are lots of ethnic Russians in these countries and the CIS is also a military as well as an economic treaty...
DT_Xtremez_40:The book I read suggested that we vastly OVER estimated both the numbers and effectiveness of the Soviet war machine. Numbers, because they were very good at using confusing unit numbers and driving the same amount of hardware round Red Square umpteen times and effectiveness, because most conscripted units were very poorly led and disciplined.
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pueblos
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Napoleon lead the best army in Europe into Russia and faced regiments armed with pikes… Who won in the end?
Hitler underestimated the Soviets ability to take punishment… Who won??
Are we doing the same?
Ok, so we have not invaded and the situation is different , but the fact remains, like Napoleon and Hitler we claim to have won a war against them (Cold war) and now they are showing just how resilient they really are.
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BuckyOHare
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That was the spark to the initial explosion, but there are considerably a lot more worse off in the former USSR states than those better off. Nationalism won't pay for the groceries or stand up to the big boys for too long. There are lots of ethnic Russians in these countries and the CIS is also a military as well as an economic treaty...
Interesting point actually.
Whilst watching Michael Palin's new Europe the other day, he was in Romania and in talking to some of the natives, they would rather ge back to the old Soviet ways simply because thier economies can't keep up with the EU. Now I'm not saying the old puppet system would come back, but perhaps our "neutral zone" which is what the new EU expansion was all about, might not be so reliable after all...
Then of course there are all the breakaway "republics" in Eastern Europe, Trans-Dniester and South Ossetia being good examples, all of whom are recieving Russian support. Which brings in the whole Kosovo affair, because if the US and UK recognize Kosovo as an independent state later this year, which sems highly likely, then it is also likely that the Russians will recognize these breakaway republics in Eastern Europe which will cause no end of strife.
AS previously mentioned in this thread, this has the potential, albeit very small, of looking like pre 1914 europe, and we all know what happened there...
World war because a bloke called Archie Duke shot an ostrich 'cause he was hungry....
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Porn Star
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The US are planning to deploy an antiballistic missile system in Poland and the Czech Republic.
Officially this is to protect Europe from the missiles of "rogue" countries (such as North Korea and Iran).
These ''rouge'' countries don't even have the missile systems these are meant to protect against.
It's hardly surprising that Russia are responding to this threat to them.
Officially this is to protect Europe from the missiles of "rogue" countries (such as North Korea and Iran).
These ''rouge'' countries don't even have the missile systems these are meant to protect against.
It's hardly surprising that Russia are responding to this threat to them.
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Seymour Tw@tt
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Rouge being the French for "red" makes this a Freudian slip par excellence...
... nice one matey!!
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mad_mo
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Interesting Sky News footage from a Russian Bomber base.
http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30200-1289329,00.html
http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30200-1289329,00.html
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BuckyOHare
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Good old Putin rattling his sabre again.
Interesting point, his term of office is due to come to a mandatory end soon and is apparently lookign at going in as Prime minister instead. Now then, a leader who is democratically elected in a country that has been humiliated by the west suddenly decides he doesn't want to relinquish power. Remind you of anyone?:0
Interesting point, his term of office is due to come to a mandatory end soon and is apparently lookign at going in as Prime minister instead. Now then, a leader who is democratically elected in a country that has been humiliated by the west suddenly decides he doesn't want to relinquish power. Remind you of anyone?:0
Another example of outstanding journalism!!
How old are the majority of our aircraft??!!!
Jolly good, most of us were sat round with nothing to do!
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TOM tranche1
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I was thinking
I was thinking
What with this Russian buisness that is occuring lately, i was wondering; If an aircraft, similar to the one which typhoons intercepted back in August were on course for Britain, with an array of weapons, including perhaps a nuclear warhead, What could we do?
I know nothing about missles at all, but if they were flying at say 50,000 ft with a nuclear weapon on board over mainland U.K, surely any attack on the aircraft would result in the bomb exploding?DT_Xtremez_09:
confused,
Tom
I was thinking
What with this Russian buisness that is occuring lately, i was wondering; If an aircraft, similar to the one which typhoons intercepted back in August were on course for Britain, with an array of weapons, including perhaps a nuclear warhead, What could we do?
I know nothing about missles at all, but if they were flying at say 50,000 ft with a nuclear weapon on board over mainland U.K, surely any attack on the aircraft would result in the bomb exploding?
DT_Xtremez_09: confused,
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BuckyOHare
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Not necessarily. Most nuclear weapons are designed to explode only after a launch code has been entered and the sequence begun. So, if the offending aircraft could be destroyed before the missiles were armed and the codes enabled, then they would just be destroyed conventionally, as would have happened if that B52 would have crashed. Having said that, I don't know the first thing about Russian weapon systems so I could be talking complete bollox here!
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Rich_P
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The bastrds would probably arm the bloody thing as they approached UK airspace just in case of that very scenario! DT_Xtremez_09:
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