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Scottish Typhoon

roverboy

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How's about this one - Someone who'se responsible for Typhoon Manning has told me that although 6 Sqn will be reforming at Coningsby as a Typhoon sqn, it may well be relocating to somewhere else other than Leuchars. All he would say was that QRA North had been located at Leuchars since the Lockerbie Crash and that another northern fighter base was being reconsidered to hold it.

So all you Jocks that want to work on Typhoon and then toddle off to see your Mum at weekends - don't count your chickens yet!!
 
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Kernow

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RB Guess it is a bad day for you. 2 Threads on the same thing!!!
 
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Chuffybum

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How's about this one - Someone who'se responsible for Typhoon Manning has told me that although 6 Sqn will be reforming at Coningsby as a Typhoon sqn, it may well be relocating to somewhere else other than Leuchars. All he would say was that QRA North had been located at Leuchars since the Lockerbie Crash and that another northern fighter base was being reconsidered to hold it.

So all you Jocks that want to work on Typhoon and then toddle off to see your Mum at weekends - don't count your chickens yet!!

QRA North has been located at Leuchars for many, many years and NOT just since Lockerbie.
 
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Joe_90

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So all you Jocks that want to work on Typhoon and then toddle off to see your Mum at weekends - don't count your chickens yet!!

Is it only Jocks that do that is it? I'd have thought it was a much bigger deal for the lads and lasses at southern camps. At least most of them are within 2 hours of Mummykins if they want to be, Leuchars is hardly handy for the likes of Fort William on a cold December Friday evening.
 

roverboy

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Is it only Jocks that do that is it? I'd have thought it was a much bigger deal for the lads and lasses at southern camps. At least most of them are within 2 hours of Mummykins if they want to be, Leuchars is hardly handy for the likes of Fort William on a cold December Friday evening.

Not at all, I loved Leuchars and could never see the point of joining up only to go home every weekend - I'm just saying don't assume it's going to be the next Typhoon base.
 

sumps

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You never know they might scrap the F35 and pop you fasties on ships...
see here
typhoonn1.jpg


a life at see!!!:pDT_Xtremez_42: :pDT_Xtremez_14: :pDT_Xtremez_06:
 

fryerman

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I heard on the grapevine a few weeks ago that the runway at Leuchars, (despite being re done) is now fcuked and not suitable for Typhoon so Leuchars will now be shutting and the Typhoons being put in little town in Yorkshire! (namely Leeming)
Not sure how much truth in this but would be interested to know.
 
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billy bollox

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You never know they might scrap the F35 and pop you fasties on ships...
see here
typhoonn1.jpg


a life at see!!!:pDT_Xtremez_42: :pDT_Xtremez_14: :pDT_Xtremez_06:

It'll never go to sea, its arse end...ie engines are too low. They get f****d now after a heavy land with hook down!!!
 

FOMz

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The USN managed it with the Goshawk, so why not a Sea Typhoon??

Have a look at this from Navy Matters.com

'STOBAR
The third and final launch method option that was considered for JCA was a Short Take Off But Arrested Recovery (STOBAR) aircraft. Like STOVL, the aircraft takes off without the aid of catapults, a bow ‘ski jump’ launching ramp helping reduce the runway length. Then, like with CTOL, arrestor gear is used to "trap" landing aircraft.


Eurofighter Typhoon

The only STOBAR aircraft type to be considered by the FCBA/JCA studies was a marinised Eurofighter Typhoon EF2000. Initial pre-feasibility studies were undertaken in early 1996 by British Aerospace's (now BAE Systems) Military Aircraft and Aerostructures Department to consider a Eurofighter Typhoon (N) (possible service name - Sea Typhoon). These looked promising and in 1997 a further 27 month contract was let to study in more detail both catapult-launched (CTOL) and STOBAR variants, these would have in common a strengthened undercarriage and an arrestor hook, and possibly a larger thicker wing with power folding and more powerful vectored thrust EJ200 engines. Both variants would have required a large conventional carrier design equipped with an angled flight deck and arrested wires for landing.

The UK was not the only potential customer for a navalised Typhoon, Eurofighter GmbH (the consortium which builds and sells Typhoon) is reported to have briefed the Italian Navy during 2000 about a low-cost, reduced weight, arrestor landing/angled deck variant of the Typhoon that could operate from the Italian Navy’s new 25,000 tonnes carrier, Conte di Cavour, which is due to enter service in 2006/7. The company has also offered another customer (probably India) a “more radically modified naval version of the aircraft”, presumably the STOBAR variant studied for the UK.

BAE Systems continued with varying amounts of enthusiasm (apparently depending on its likely JSF workshare at the time!) to push Typhoon (N) as an alternative to JSF, stressing the Typhoon's higher speed, range and payload, although admitting it would be less stealthy. A Typhoon (N) would also have the advantage of considerable commonality with the 232 Eurofighter Typhoon's already planned for the RAF.

BAE Systems suggested that costly airframe strengthening and a new undercarriage for Typhoon (N), as traditionally required for aircraft "navalisation" of a land based aircraft, could be avoided by using sophisticated computer controlled precise landing systems and other aids to reduce arrested landing stresses to within existing Typhoon limits - which are far below those currently normal for hard carrier operations. Apparently even giant fans blowing air over the aft flight deck and in to the final landing approach were considered! But these BAE's idea's do not seem to have been accepted by the MOD, indeed they would appear to be a rather risky cost reduction measure which have become a source of major problems in the future, e.g. preventing flight operations in heavy seas or leading to costly repairs of prematurely fatigued aircraft.

During 1999-2000 a fully navalised STOBAR Typhoon seemed to be the only real competitor to JSF for the JCA order, but in January 2001 (just prior to the UK signing a MoU for the JSF SDD phase - see below) reports appeared in the UK press that it had been eliminated on cost and safety grounds, e.g. the flight deck clearance of external weapons was considered dangerously low for the robust nature of carrier launch and landing events, and the canards dangerously restricted the pilots view during high angle of attack carrier landings.

In May 2001 Sir Robert Walmsley, Head of the Defence Procurement Agency, when asked about the possibility of a navalised Eurofighter if JSF was cancelled said: "It is not currently designed so that it could use a carrier. We could change the design but we would be faced with a huge piece of work. The materials would probably have to be changed in order to avoid corrosion; the weight of the undercarriage would have to be doubled to support carrier landing which would eat into the payload margin; and the wing roots would have to be strengthened in order to take the full inertia forces on landing. That sounds to me like a very substantial redesign. It is always possible, but it would cost a huge amount of money and it would certainly add very considerably to the cost of the aircraft".

The possibility of a navalised Typhoon re-emerged in late 2005, as "Plan B" when the UK hit severe problems in relation to technology transfer for the F-35 JSF. Published leaks indicated that BAE engineers had concluded (presumably in the earlier studies) that navalising Typhoon appeared to be "practical and relatively inexpensive", and that navalising later RAF tranches "might be of interest". STOBAR was considered preferable to CTOL, flight control system changes would be necessary to guarantee "precision landings" but there would be little change to structural layout, and there would certainly be no need for a major rework for the aircraft to survive arrested landings. The view over the nose was not necessarily inadequate. There were a number of options for reducing sink rate, only the increased angle of attack option would would require the addition of a pilot periscope or a higher seat position and higher canopy roofline. The studies indicated a 340 kg weight increase for the STOBAR version, and 460 kg for the CTOL catapult launched variant. '
 
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billy bollox

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In May 2001 Sir Robert Walmsley, Head of the Defence Procurement Agency, when asked about the possibility of a navalised Eurofighter if JSF was cancelled said: "It is not currently designed so that it could use a carrier. We could change the design but we would be faced with a huge piece of work. The materials would probably have to be changed in order to avoid corrosion; the weight of the undercarriage would have to be doubled to support carrier landing which would eat into the payload margin; and the wing roots would have to be strengthened in order to take the full inertia forces on landing. That sounds to me like a very substantial redesign. It is always possible, but it would cost a huge amount of money and it would certainly add very considerably to the cost of the aircraft". '

So in our magical world, we'll just "whistle" up the dosh...very good idea when (if you look at the other threads concerning accomodation) it will P*** off all.
Don't compromise, fit for purpose is always a better option. JSF is fit for purpose, specifically designed for the task. Anyway, how many air displays can Typhoon do at sea!!!!!! he he
 
I heard on the grapevine a few weeks ago that the runway at Leuchars, (despite being re done) is now fcuked and not suitable for Typhoon so Leuchars will now be shutting and the Typhoons being put in little town in Yorkshire! (namely Leeming)
Not sure how much truth in this but would be interested to know.

I heard exactly the same, minus the bit about the runway.

From what I gather the cost of getting leuchars up to scratch would be massive, while leeming is is pretty good shape, and shortly to be in need of an operational a/c squadron.
 

roverboy

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I heard exactly the same, minus the bit about the runway.

From what I gather the cost of getting leuchars up to scratch would be massive, while leeming is is pretty good shape, and shortly to be in need of an operational a/c squadron.

coupled with the fact that a "local" airport is looking to expand and have approached the MoD with a view to purchasing extra land.
 
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we had a brief up here at leuchars last week from the people at acos manning and we were told that the f3 will be around til 2011, typhoon will be taking over the falklands in sep 2009, and that 6 sqn will be forming at coningsby then moving to leuchars in sep 2010. We were also told that no one will be able to move from f3 to typhoon when it comes up here as it will be moving as a formed sqn, and we will be moved to pastures new (benson odiham cottesmore and so on). the brief was given by our staish (air commodore) sqn leader from manning and oc admin at leuchars. i like to think i heard it from the horses mouth and not from a bloke in the mess. having said that ill believe it when i see it.
 

denthemen

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I heard on the grapevine a few weeks ago that the runway at Leuchars, (despite being re done) is now fcuked and not suitable for Typhoon so Leuchars will now be shutting and the Typhoons being put in little town in Yorkshire! (namely Leeming)

Got a Sentry bimbling in and out up here at the moment - runway can't be that knackered....:pDT_Xtremez_06:
 
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