Kick in the teeth for medics

[penfold93]

Having noted that some trades have managed to justify their rise to a higher pay band it is noted that some trades are not as fortunate. Here is an excerpt from the letter from Med Pol

Despite the extensive time and effort expended in this process by those interviewed, no change will be made in the pay range and all ranks (SAC – WO) scored in the Lower Pay Range

Now before we start off on a trade bashing route please do not base any decisions on just the 'i have had a bad experience at a Med Centre' level, please remember that a lot of these medics male and female put their lives on the line on a daily basis OOA to save others, the paramedic of the year was RAF, so I feel it is a bit harsh that they do not get any real financial award for their efforts and is it surprising the trade is undermanned.

So if any fellow medical goaters would like to feed back and other members what are your views (please remember this is a public forum so would appreciate constructive responses)

 

[WindYerNeckIn]

To be fair penfold,

im not even sure what different types of the medical branch there are?


I know there is a medical assistant - are you/they paramedic trained>?


and I know of medical officer thats about it sorry! can you expand?


If all medics are paramedic trained then perhaps a high payband is in order as i have a close friend who is undergoing her civilian paramedic course, not for me I can tell you. a lot of pressure and not a lot of pay.


Im also aware of the PMRNS are they under the medic trade as well or serperate? are they the ones who do the OOA medivac teams>? they should deffo be on IMHO.


like you I dont want a start a trade war, just more info as im not sure how many level/types of medic there are.

cheers.

 

[penfold93]

TG 15 includes any trade on the medical side of life so

Medics (assistants and administrators)
Environmental Health
ODP's (Theatre Techs)
Lab Techs
Pharmacy Techs
Radiographers
Princess Marys Royal Air Force Nursing Service (PMRAFNS) (General Nurse and Mental Health).

The pay structure is also different for each trade in the branch so whilst all nurses are on the higher payband not all ranks fo ODP are (FS on lower payband)

Aeromed is done by both Medics and nurses

 

[MontyPlumbs]

TG 15 includes any trade on the medical side of life so

Medics (assistants and administrators)
Environmental Health
ODP's (Theatre Techs)
Lab Techs
Pharmacy Techs
Radiographers
Princess Marys Royal Air Force Nursing Service (PMRAFNS) (General Nurse and Mental Health).

The pay structure is also different for each trade in the branch so whilst all nurses are on the higher payband not all ranks fo ODP are (FS on lower payband)

Aeromed is done by both Medics and nurses

I assume Pharm techs are on the higher pay band? If not, that surely needs to be looked at.

 

[penfold93]

I assume Pharm techs are on the higher pay band? If not, that surely needs to be looked at.

They sure are as are radiographers and Lab techs, theatre tech it depends on you rank as already stated, nurses on higher band too

 

[MontyPlumbs]

I must say it just illustrates the point about how good your trade sponsor is at getting the point across - not generally whether or not the trade deserves it. Medics definitely should be on the higher pay band, although I'm not convinced anyone on the med admin side should be.

 

[muttywhitedog]

Is it still the case that Medics do not do guard duties? If so, that may well be a stumbling block towards you not getting upgraded.

 

[penfold93]

Depends on the station, they did in Aki

 

[Boarderlyne]

Depends on the station, they did in Aki

And they do at Lyne... The medics lost their favoured status back in 1994 when all new Med Admins and non-commissioned Medical Trades were thrown into the SSGF pot. The old and bold still had an exemption but many waived their right as the exemption only lasted until the next time they signed on!

 

[SirSaltyHelmet]

To be honest Penfold, why should all medics go up just be cause some are paramedic trained?

Get the AFPRB to give paramedic pay to those who are in a paramedic job.

Does the guy who is not a paramedic that sits on reception deserving the same pay as a paramedic?

 

[penfold93]

To be honest Penfold, why should all medics go up just be cause some are paramedic trained?

Get the AFPRB to give paramedic pay to those who are in a paramedic job.

Does the guy who is not a paramedic that sits on reception deserving the same pay as a paramedic?

Agree SSH and it would probably be the Jnr Ranks that would benefit as they probably do the lions share, but same could be said for stackers and cooks, warming up beans and blanket folding aint rocket science (I know they do a lot more than that) but they are on a higher pay band. I just feel that the trade as a whole has been let down by those whose job it was to argue the case. Unlike supply, coppers and chefs :S

 

[Get Tae]

that a lot of these medics male and female put their lives on the line on a daily basis OOA to save others, the paramedic of the year was RAF, so I feel it is a bit harsh that they do not get any real financial award for their efforts and is it surprising the trade is undermanned.

Plenty put thier lives on the line OOA every day not just medics and as for financial award, its called Op Allowance and LSSA the same as everyone else.

 

[penfold93]

Plenty put thier lives on the line OOA every day not just medics and as for financial award, its called Op Allowance and LSSA the same as everyone else.

Most of the RAF personnel that do are usually on the higher pay band, yeah we all get the allowances but the financial award to recognise the work they do as their trade not just OOA

 

[Disillusioned]

Most of the RAF personnel that do are usually on the higher pay band, yeah we all get the allowances but the financial award to recognise the work they do as their trade not just OOA

Since when were most of the personnel OOA on higher pay band? Is it because the majority of personnel OOA are techies who deserve the higher pay band?

 

[Rammy]

Currently, there is a large discrepancy between numbers of trained Paramedics (PMs) and regular 'Medics'. The RAF want more PMs and are widening the criteria for 'Medics' to undertake PM training. When the PM cadre accounts for a larger percentage of the 'Medic' trade then another pay review will take place and it is widely expected for PMs to gain a pay rise on a par with technical trades.

Personally, I see this as the death knoll for 'Medics' who don't or can't convert to PM. The Medic trade will die and be reborn as the professionally recognised and accountable Paramedic Trade and routine medical administration will be carried out be remaining TG 17 staff and civvies.

That's what I think anyway.

It's just natural change that's been long overdue. The hard part will be retaining trained PMs who'll spend a significant amount of their Service OOA.

If I were a Cpl Medic with a clean driving licence, I'd be doing all I could to secure myself some PM training, bite the bullet of extended periods OOA and bang out into civvy street as quick as I could.

Good luck to them.

 

[irishlogster]

Agree SSH and it would probably be the Jnr Ranks that would benefit as they probably do the lions share, but same could be said for stackers and cooks, warming up beans and blanket folding aint rocket science (I know they do a lot more than that) but they are on a higher pay band. I just feel that the trade as a whole has been let down by those whose job it was to argue the case. Unlike supply, coppers and chefs :S

Penfold,
No idea who told you us stackers were on a high payband??? That is not true.

 

[mememe]

Great thread.

Great thread.

Having noted that some trades have managed to justify their rise to a higher pay band it is noted that some trades are not as fortunate. Here is an excerpt from the letter from Med Pol



Now before we start off on a trade bashing route please do not base any decisions on just the 'i have had a bad experience at a Med Centre' level, please remember that a lot of these medics male and female put their lives on the line on a daily basis OOA to save others, the paramedic of the year was RAF, so I feel it is a bit harsh that they do not get any real financial award for their efforts and is it surprising the trade is undermanned.

So if any fellow medical goaters would like to feed back and other members what are your views (please remember this is a public forum so would appreciate constructive responses)

Nice One Pen. This has opened the debate and has canvassed the opinion of many. Just a personal opinion, however, there is always going to be the situation, " how come they got it and we didn't" attitude. Most recently...CPL AND FS MT drivers going into the high pay band. That is just there to add a little spice to the debate. Also I would be interested to know how managers would keep their staff motivated when the see said MT drivers being increased (no disrespect).
P.S I can drive a truck and eat a yorkie! Only joking..Good on em! perhaps the trades should adopt their trade sponsors as they have done a superb job for them. Well done.

 

[MontyPlumbs]

Nice One Pen. This has opened the debate and has canvassed the opinion of many. Just a personal opinion, however, there is always going to be the situation, " how come they got it and we didn't" attitude. Most recently...CPL AND FS MT drivers going into the high pay band. That is just there to add a little spice to the debate. Also I would be interested to know how managers would keep their staff motivated when the see said MT drivers being increased (no disrespect).
P.S I can drive a truck and eat a yorkie! Only joking..Good on em! perhaps the trades should adopt their trade sponsors as they have done a superb job for them. Well done.

This has been discussed before when we mooted the point of floating everyone to the high pay band then giving people financial rewards based on the type of job they are doing.

For example, a sootie Corporal working on a front line Tornado squadron and a sootie Corporal working in an AFCO. Do they deserve to get paid exactly the same?

Interesting issue, this thread is just the tip of the iceberg (across ALL trades).

 

[metimmee]

For example, a sootie Corporal working on a front line Tornado squadron and a sootie Corporal working in an AFCO. Do they deserve to get paid exactly the same?

Interesting issue, this thread is just the tip of the iceberg (across ALL trades).

Tricky one that. Does 1st line Cpl deserve a pay-cut because he's posted against his will to somewhere that doesnt get enhancements?

 

[MontyPlumbs]

Tricky one that. Does 1st line Cpl deserve a pay-cut because he's posted against his will to somewhere that doesnt get enhancements?

Again, good point, I was using the AFCO as an example - I don't think you'll find many people get posted to an AFCO against their will! DT_Xtremez_28: