CMU/TEF cuts?

[insty66]

I have heard a rumour that CMU/TEF at a secret Norfolk Airbase is to undergo some cuts?

Is this the same one people were "invited" to join from Scotland not so long ago?

 

[Flying Welshman]

yes it true.

The place has got to lose 113 RAF posts by this time next year, and 250 by 2009. It just takes the pi**, why did they post all the people down from Lossie? The RAF strikes again!

 

[monobrow]

Does beg the question, how flexible is their contract then? I mean they did stipulate a certain number of blue suiters in posts, and now they're sacking them? (well disestablishing posts)

 

[insty66]

Does beg the question, how flexible is their contract then? I mean they did stipulate a certain number of blue suiters in posts, and now they're sacking them? (well disestablishing posts)

How an organisation that has yet to put out an a/c on time (allegedly) can contemplate cutting manpower is beyond me:raf:.

 

[Past Engineering]

I am not sure if BAES can 'sack' the RAF personnel, on similar contracts, I seem toremember someone mentioning that it was the MOD who wanted embedded RAF manpower and how many. This was done, so I was led to believe, to allow RAF personnel to gain depth experience on aircraft to aid diagnosis etc for the future on the Sqds, OOA. If the MOD has decided to cut these numbers I would think that the contracts people will have been in big discussions as this has a cost implication of who pays to replace the RAF personnel, unless it was in the contract to draw down the manpower once a steady state was achieved. It may different with each contract and I might not have been privvy to all the contractual issues around this, so could be totally wrong.

Agreed that if the MOD knew this was happening why did they cause all the upsets, unless they used it as an excuse to start running Lossie down, sooner rather than later

 

[shirley286]

Coincidence?

Coincidence?

Is it just me or is it a coincidence that today we hear all the manpower is to be posted out of CMU and on the same day Lord Drayson announce's a new Merlin Sqn is to be formed. Anyone else reckon that we (CMU RAF Guys) are all heading to the very undermanned merlin world?.............

 

[Hot Shoes]

Depth Wing cuts

Depth Wing cuts

Got briefed this today from "them upstairs"

250 Blue suit posts will go from Depth Wing, 137 from CMU I think, (lost interest at that point) at first, then the rest a bit later from Depth as a whole, including the bays.
Yes they are def blue not contractors going, but all you soon to leave (myself), BAE have enough in place and won't need to employ any more to cover the work shortfall by the Blue suits cos they have enough contractors already & they get more hours out of the contractors than the embedded serviceman anyway.

Just what I was told, don't make it all right, just what the officer corp believe

 

[Former Albert Sooty]

CMU/TEF are to lose manpower and in TPF we cannot get manpower. We are currently around 20 sooties undermanned. The word on the street is that no one will be posted any where soon from the engine bay as the management will try at all costs to snub out postings. Also, if any of the lads wish to PVR they will have to submit a PVR not once, not twice but three times before it will be forwarded to PSF. Not sure how much of this rumour is true, but it has managed to send morale through the roof.............not!!! :S

 

[I Look Like Kevin Costner]

. Also, if any of the lads wish to PVR they will have to submit a PVR not once, not twice but three times before it will be forwarded to PSF. Not sure how much of this rumour is true, but it has managed to send morale through the roof.............not!!! :S

The word REDRESS springs to mind.

Then again who is to say if TPF will exist in the long term???

I am not sure if BAES can 'sack' the RAF personnel, on similar contracts, I seem toremember someone mentioning that it was the MOD who wanted embedded RAF manpower and how many. This was done, so I was led to believe, to allow RAF personnel to gain depth experience on aircraft to aid diagnosis etc for the future on the Sqds, OOA. If the MOD has decided to cut these numbers I would think that the contracts people will have been in big discussions as this has a cost implication of who pays to replace the RAF personnel, unless it was in the contract to draw down the manpower once a steady state was achieved. It may different with each contract and I might not have been privvy to all the contractual issues around this, so could be totally wrong.

Agreed that if the MOD knew this was happening why did they cause all the upsets, unless they used it as an excuse to start running Lossie down, sooner rather than later

Decisions made long ago have come to bite Marham. Why they were not made obvious to the management? Its the way we work, ain't it!!!

BAE Systems are not particulary happy about hearing the NEWS.

 

[Edzar]

Got briefed this today from "them upstairs"

250 Blue suit posts will go from Depth Wing, 137 from CMU I think, (lost interest at that point) at first, then the rest a bit later from Depth as a whole, including the bays.
Yes they are def blue not contractors going, but all you soon to leave (myself), BAE have enough in place and won't need to employ any more to cover the work shortfall by the Blue suits cos they have enough contractors already & they get more hours out of the contractors than the embedded serviceman anyway.

Just what I was told, don't make it all right, just what the officer corp believe

Oh no they don't. The sub-contractors are leaking away as fast as the blue suits are PVR-ing - lured by more money elsewhere. This is why there has never been an ac leave CMU on time. Another thing causing the delays in frames is the fact CMU is stilll not at full strength blue-suit wise, as was agreed in the contract.

 

[MrMasher]

Where is the "spare" manpower needed? In the eyes of PMA?

With 250 of Marhams finest going and the entire techie collection of 6 SAR flights and the OCU probably totalling 200-300. Thats a fair amount of manpower!!

Whats going on? What arent they telling us?

 

[Dingbat29]

Edzar, you are right.
I was speaking to one of the BAE sub-con lads today and he confirmed that they are going to have to fill the posts with more sub-cons once the blue suiters have gone. Only problem is they don't have enough lads in there now as they can't recruit people who are willing to move to the area. It's all going horribly wrong-as we all knew it would!!

 

[Realist78]

To add to all that, word is that the majority of contractor Leckies are off to Toulouse where £60K is on the table, tricky decision to make, that one!DT_Xtremez_28:

 

[monobrow]

With 250 of Marhams finest going and the entire techie collection of 6 SAR flights and the OCU probably totalling 200-300. Thats a fair amount of manpower!!

Tranche 4 perhaps???

To be fair though, the bays have known it's coming for quite a while. Well at least around March when I was talking to a mate in the RADAR bay they'd already been told that the WHOLE avionics side of things will be down to 20 odd blue suiters MAX! Most of the bays will become filter benches unless it's a really easy repair. Do these tw@ts not have a shred of common? It's sometimes hard enough on ops to get the spares you need without having everything go through a new loop of R2 -> R4 -> 'S' or even back to R2 for acceptance checks.

"Hi there dial-a-stacker, can I have a Lat Comp?"
"Well I got a delivery forecast of a week Tuesday?"
"???!!!???"

Plus the void of manpower at CMU is going to have a massive knock on to production of 'S' jets off servicing, therefore a backlog waiting to go in, servicings extended to the hilt (as if they aren't already), and why oh why haven't they modded the rest of the fleet to diamond jets!

Perhaps this one should be merged with the "Breaking the RAF" thread.

 

[Dilligaf Jagman]

CMU A Few Points of Interest For You All.........

CMU A Few Points of Interest For You All.........

Oh no they don't. The sub-contractors are leaking away as fast as the blue suits are PVR-ing - lured by more money elsewhere. This is why there has never been an ac leave CMU on time. Another thing causing the delays in frames is the fact CMU is stilll not at full strength blue-suit wise, as was agreed in the contract.

As one who is close enough to smell all the breezes that fly around here at BAE International Airport, I can update you all on a few things. First off BAE are trying to run a business, so when we set forth with the good old "can do" they willingly sit back and accept all we offer. The lads in GEF can back me up on that one. This has frequently been way more than we are supposed to and every minute of it done by us saves them some pound notes! I defy anyone to tell me that isn't good business accumen.
This has served BAE well up to recently, when someone has been taking a gooood long look at the contract that BAE have been ramming down every RAF orifice they can find for the last 18 months or so quoting "bank of hours" etc. So imagine the joy of discovering that, actually, we were only commited to provide at least the majority of the manpower until they "stood up". Guess what they declared a couple of weeks ago......................
The only fly in the ointment is this wasn't realised before people were moved here, and that sux! Don't know how they are going to fill the void, there's already a mini wage war going on with KLM down the road in Norwich!
Just one last thing, in BAEs defence they have delivered aircraft on time, one!
Aaah how I remember the days of the 56 day Minor.....
Maybe they weren't perfect, fully spammed up or had a nice new coat of paint but they did leave on time AND fly (I sh!t you not!!!) Oh yes, and we had exactly the same spares issues as they have now!

 

[Captain Gatso]

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QUOTE=Former Albert Sooty;165355]CMU/TEF are to lose manpower and in TPF we cannot get manpower. We are currently around 20 sooties undermanned. The word on the street is that no one will be posted any where soon from the engine bay as the management will try at all costs to snub out postings. Also, if any of the lads wish to PVR they will have to submit a PVR not once, not twice but three times before it will be forwarded to PSF. Not sure how much of this rumour is true, but it has managed to send morale through the roof.............not!!! :S

[/QUOTE]


I have heard this afor- mentioned rumour also. If this is true, then could this be the start of other places following suit?. Morale is at rock bottom round most camps these days. If things like delays to peoples PVR's, who clearly have expressed a wish that they want to be finished with the RAF are done, see morale in the RAf go past the floor heading towards the earths core FAST.::/:

 

[Max]

Perhaps they only cut it to allow for all the PVR's that were put in by those destined for Marham to make it look like it was their idea? Cynical me never....

 

[Roobsta]

I have heard this afor- mentioned rumour also. If this is true, then could this be the start of other places following suit?. Morale is at rock bottom round most camps these days. If things like delays to peoples PVR's, who clearly have expressed a wish that they want to be finished with the RAF are done, see morale in the RAf go past the floor heading towards the earths core FAST.::/:

PVR forms should not be stopped from going through the system - period. If they are orevented from getting to PSF/BSW/handbrake house or whatever they call it these days then you have reasonable grounds for redress.

Solution - Get the boss to sign it and take it up there yourself!

 

[shirley286]

And just to add insult to injury RAF guys are now working weekends with no Time off in lieu. Oh and jets that Lossiemouth AMF could produce in 80-90 days are now taking on average 150-160 days! Funny how when you mention this your told to wind your neck in..............It isnt working lets face it.

 

[Get Tae]

I heard last night a rumour that 'someone' was looking into re-opening Lossie AMF in the next 18 months............................

Call me an old cynic but all these cuts seem to be timed just right with a new chelihopter Sqn getting started at Benson.

Now the old and wise amongst us who have seen this kind of thing happen before can say that a new Sqn of jets don't just 'appear' overnight and someone somewhere must have looked and wondered where the manpower was coming from.

Why not inconvenience a lot of folk and post them from Lossie to Marham where they will hate and then offer them a posting away onto a brand new Sqn to bolster the experience they will use as a core from the established Sqn already there...............

Or am I being silly?...