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More Trouble At Selly Oak

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Noodle

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I have been to Selly Oak twice, once to have my wisdom teeth removed - was day surgery had no problems, but the second was for plastic surgery to the scars on my arms (yeah I know its nothing serious).

I was put on a normal ward for the second, and when my other half turned up to collect me he had just left work and driven a long way to collect me, hadn't bothered to get changed, because he knew I wanted to get out because I was in a lot of pain from the op. He was refused admission to the ward so he could carry my bags because he was in uniform, and like I said, the op was on my arms!

Ended up in agony crying all the way home because of this.

Don't know how the guys in there for long periods of time feel. I wish I could e-mail that woman, but due to my current job, I can't.

My thoughts are with them all
 

shiny_arse

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I hope you will take a moment to reflect on the many lives lost before you make any such ill-informed comment in the future. I am ready to discuss this issue with you further.[/I].

Well said Tommo and will be interested to see if you actually get a response from Ms Jones and/ or her staffers.
 
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The public response from Ms Jones regarding the treatment of Service Personnel at the main hospital in her consituency is nothing short of totally disgusting!! The military personnel at the hospital do not differentiate who they treat nor the quality of care given. The military presence is :

" a tri-service establishment, meaning that there are personnel from all three of the armed services. The military staff wear their own distinctive uniforms that vary depending on whether they are serving with the Navy, Army, or Air Force (although some wear a generic green uniform, with rank insignia, depending on the area in which they work). Whilst the RCDM is based at Selly Oak Hospital , defence personnel are fully integrated throughout both sites and treat both military and civilian patients."

Also of note: "The first staff to arrive at University Hospital Birmingham were seven nurses who joined the Accident and Emergency Department in September 2000. They have since been joined by doctors, nurses, therapists and support staff who work throughout the Trust and now total approximately 600 in number."

(Quotes from - http://www2.uhb.uhs.uk)

Perhaps Ms Jones should express gratitude to the MoD for providing her local hospital with 600 well trained staff who don't get paid overtime or expect extra money for bank holidays and provide quality care to all regardless of race, religion, gender, political affliation or prejudice!!
 

wolfy

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Perhaps Ms Jones should express gratitude to the MoD for providing her local hospital with 600 well trained staff who don't get paid overtime or expect extra money for bank holidays and provide quality care to all regardless of race, religion, gender, political affliation or prejudice!!

It should also be noted that this service is effectivley free to the NHS as they do not pay them!
 

penfold93

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It should also be noted that this service is effectivley free to the NHS as they do not pay them!

Not exactly true as far as I am aware but you do get a fully trained F/G Grade nurse for the price of a basic D grade which is a hell of a saving
 

wolfy

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Not exactly true as far as I am aware but you do get a fully trained F/G Grade nurse for the price of a basic D grade which is a hell of a saving

Well the wages are paid for by the MoD not the NHS, I was not aware that the NHS gave anything to the MoD.
 

CodeMonkey

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Anyone else had a response from Lynne Jones i receivend this lengthy reply:
I have received a large number of emails from members of the public as a
result of the inaccurate way my comments were reported in the 10 June
edition of the Mail on Sunday. There is a parliamentary convention that
I should only respond in detail to correspondence from my own
constituents. However I hope that the following statement clarifies my
position and I am glad to have this opportunity of setting the record
straight. If you are constituent, I am happy to correspond with you on
any further points you wish to raise if you would please provide me with
your full postal address and indicate you are a constituent in the
header.

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The remarks attributed to me in the 10 June edition of the Mail on
Sunday were an inaccurate reflection of the lengthy conversation I had
with the reporter on Thursday night. This included the example of a
soldier who had had his hand successfully reconstructed after having
three ribs removed for the purpose. He would have lost his hand were it
not for the skill and dedication of the clinical staff involved - the
very staff whose morale is being constantly undermined by the barrage of
unjustified criticism coming from the media who regurgitate and
exaggerate old stories. I am informed that some staff have got so fed
up with this situation that they are looking for new jobs and such is
their skill that they will be snapped up by other hospitals. What good
will that do our troops? You will note that the particular incident
which apparently justified the headline "Muslim Women Abuse Soldier at
Troops Hospital" took place a month ago and was described by the soldier
involved as being a minor incident. Though I would condemn any
inappropriate intervention, I am told the use of the word "abuse" does
not reflect what happened. There has been another allegation that a
soldier was abused by a Muslim nurse, yet there has never been a Muslim
nurse on any of the wards where soldiers have been treated.



I informed the reporter from the MoS about this type of inaccurate
reports and I also told him of my recent meeting with one of the injured
men whose case has been given a high media profile (unfavourable to the
hospital). At the point I met the soldier, he was returning to the ward
after a weekend away, including a visit to a football match. He remains
in the ward despite the hospital's view that he is ready to be
discharged to military-run rehabilitation. At the different stages in
his treatment, he has been in three separate wards appropriate to his
condition at the time. Surveys of military personnel who have received
treatment at Selly Oak have been overwhelmingly favourable - none of
this is reported because it does not fit the picture that has been
painted by those seeking to undermine the work being done at Selly Oak.
They care more for a good story than the damage they are doing. They
are not concerned about any effect on morale caused by giving our armed
forces such a negative impression of the quality of care they might
expect to receive should they be injured!



The decision by the MoD to base hospital care of military staff in the
NHS was taken, not to cut costs, as stated in the article, but for
clinical reasons. Health care has become more specialised and the range
of specialties and depth of experience required to provide the full
range of care required by the military (such as that described above)
can only be provided by a large acute teaching trust.



Also the training and education of the clinical military staff needs to
be undertaken in an environment where the full range of injuries and
illnesses are seen and treated. This is to better equip the military
clinicians to deal with any eventuality when deployed at times of
conflict. The Royal Centre for Defence Medicine at Selly Oak provides
both these functions



It seems that recent events have sought to overturn these principles and
that considerations other than clinical need are being brought into play
to determine where injured military personnel are cared for and where
military clinical staff are placed to gain experience. These issues
should be best left to those with the knowledge and skills to make those
judgements based on the clinical needs of the patients i.e. the doctors
and nurses looking after the patients. Similarly the placement of the
military staff should be the responsibility of those who have
responsibility for the training and education of the military clinical
staff. Anything else must surely compromise patient safety, both for
those patients in Selly Oak and for those injured in the frontline
before they can be returned to UK. Yet, it is clear from my
conversations with senior members from the Armed Forces medical staff
that their views are being overridden as a response to the media
coverage, which has been stimulated by some factions in the MoD who
opposed the closure of the military hospitals. It is in that context
that I used the word "fiefdom". At no point did I say that the soldiers
wanted a fiefdom.



The reference to "clutter" also gives the wrong impression. When I
visited the ward where 12 of the 20 military patients in the hospital
were being treated (and remember their numbers can vary substantially
such that any "dedicated ward" could one day be half empty and then next
full to overflowing) I was struck by how many staff, in particular
military staff in full uniform, were on the ward. I have been told that
this is usually in double figures and on one recent occasion it was
possible to count 19 non-clinical uniformed military staff on the ward!
There is no doubt that the ward is old and cramped as is all the
accommodation in this hospital but a new hospital is currently being
constructed and by 2010 all patients will have first class facilities.
Meanwhile I do not consider it conducive to recovery, or to security, to
have so many people milling around.



In conclusion, the coverage in the MoS was deliberately slanted to give
the impression that I was not concerned about wounded soldiers coming
back from Iraq and Afghanistan when, in fact, the opposite is the case
and I was trying to put a true reflection of the excellent work that has
been going on at Selly Oak. I should also point out that the hospital
also provides elective treatment for military staff that are not being
deployed overseas. However, given the reputation of this particular
paper, I suppose I should not be surprised at the manner in which my
views have been misrepresented. I will of course be writing to them in
an attempt to put the record straight



LYNNE JONES MP
 

tommo9999

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A lengthy reply and fairly detailed. She could have said that the number of staff "milling" around is because it is very difficult to try and guess how many personnel are going to be medevaced back from war zones!!! However, to give her credit, it looks like the MoS has, once more generally mis-represented a politicians comments.
 

shiny_arse

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Well I suppose at least a reply of sorts is a reply none the less. However don't you just love politicians. It would have been a lot easier for her to reply to the goaters directly as below:

Look the MoS is a bunch of ragtag whining whinging cnuts. I did not say what was reported in the media in the context in which it has been taken. The uniformed staff at the hospital are excellent and I have every sympathy with those who are unfortunate enough that they require their care. The more we can do to aid their swift and speedy recovery the better. (Hell we've got to send them back ASAP!)
 

airframe doctor

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I got the same response as CodeMonkey. Must admit I didn't think I'd get a response at all, perhaps the message hit home not that anything will change!!!
 
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mad_mo

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She has obviously got one of her lackys to type up a template and just mass reply to one and all.
 
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Sid the Sexist

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I know that she will probably never even see it personally but the cnut has really wound me up............copy of the letter I sent................

Madam,

I include your own comments so you know (or whichever of your employed minnions vets your e-mails) of what I am referring to..........

But the Labour MP for Selly Oak, Lynne Jones, refused to back calls for more secure facilities for troops.

She said: "The soldiers seem to want a little empire consisting of their own designated staff and facilities, a fiefdom.

"The point of basing the Centre for Defence Medicine at Selly Oak was to make the most of the range of experience here. The priority should always be the standard of clinical care.
"When I’ve visited the military ward it has been cluttered with staff."


I am saddened by your attitude towards the Military personnel who have been injured whilst defending our Nation in a war that your own government decided we should enter.
I hope that these comments come back to haunt you and you never again find yourself in a position of power once your seat is taken by a candicate who is patriotic about our Country rather than predjudiced against it.

Yours in digust,
 

Dave-exfairy

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2 groups of people I mistrust the most in this once great country of ours, politicians and journos. Never believe any of them.
 

True Blue Jack

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This is the e-mail I sent to Lynne Jones:

Dear Ms Jones,

I was deeply saddened to hear reports of the abuse directed to CSM Powell during his visit to wounded/injured military personnel at Selly Oak Hospital. Moreover, I am gravely disappointed that you appear to have such little appreciaton for what injured soldiers need, much less want. The very least they deserve is the opportunity to be treated in a suitable environment and the arguments to reinstate military hospitals go far beyond fiefdoms.

I ask you, do you believe the women who abused CSM Powell were right to do so? The military patients at Selly Oak are there as a direct result of the actions and decisions of your Government. Perhaps if the women had turned their attention to the true cause of their anguish you would be less verbose.

I believe a public apology to CSM Powell would be in order. I also believe you would do well to spend more time at the hospital visiting your transitory constituents. Perhaps then you will understand the need for military patients to be treated among their own kind and become the champion of their cause.

Yours faithfully

I got the same response as CodeMonkey and others.
 

penfold93

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I got the same reply as everyone else but at least it was a reply and I look forward to seeing if there is any followup in the Mail after she writes to them
 
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Almost_done

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On PPrune the journo of the article has put up a little note.

Selly Oak/ MPs' comments.

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I am the author of the piece in The Mail on Sunday about CSM Powell at Selly Oak. Ms Jones, be very careful about calling into question the accuracy of how you were quoted in this article. You and I know very well you spoke very evocatively, using words such as "fiefdom" and soldiers wanting their "little empire". You were not misquoted, nor represented.
Best wishes,
Mark Nicol

This could prove to be an interesting article, should she want to try and take it further.

Mark good on you and keep us in the headlines for the right reasons please. :pDT_Xtremez_27:
 

airframe doctor

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I wonder.......

I wonder.......

Regarding the happenings over the past few days with all the emails she has got & now this on PPrune, anyone think Ms Jones has maybe had a few"Oh ****!!!" moments.
 

True Blue Jack

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I reckon that's why she's standing down at the next election. Too many foot-in-mouth moments, so that if she had made it to the front bench she'd have made John Prescott look like a serious politician.
 
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